Game Goal : Master of the Mediterranean

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This is something I've been stuck on and wanting to complete.. for... reasons

Objective is :
Starting at the Straits of Gilbraltar, own every single coastal province accessible within - every port city of the Mediterranean and Black seas. That means the Berbers, Mamluk, Ottoman, Crimea, Genoa, Venice, Italy, Southern France, Aragon, Castile, and Portugal are all targets.

Who would you pick in a 1444 start, and how would you achieve it?

I've started as the Ottomans; they have missions to acquire most of the southern area, are not too hard to westernize, and have some great income when they obtain all their cores. Coring discount, strong naval position... seems like a good beginning. But allies amongst the Europeans are scarce, and a delay of 20-50 or so years is inherent in both letting tech fall behind, westernizing, then catching up, all of which tends to occur sometime in the mid to late 1500's. After which national cores have started disappearing, blobs are forming, and big groups of allies make things rough to slog through.

Also considered using Castile - Portugal can either be PU'd or simply beat up at leisure, missions allow for point of entry into Berber's and using Tunisia/Tripoli as vassal feeds. Aragon (and hopefully Naples) gets merged, and staying Catholic allows for Crusading against the AI Ottomans which will never westernize. Castile's ideas are partly wasted on colonizing, though, which will probably be ignored, though the one colonist might be sent off with 4-5 troops to lazily assist Portugal in sending Caribbean trade back.

Any other good picks? Any HRE member could potentially unite and leverage those lands towards the southwest and southeast, but that means a century or two focus on diplomacy and conquest within, and being dragged into endless wars, not to mention being caught up in both reformations.
 

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I think either Austria or Castille is the most straightforward, I'm sure Ottomans can do it pretty easily too but they'll never score PUs or diplovassalizations around the hard parts of mare nostrum.
 

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Ottomans is the obvious choice for that kind of game. You're at the place where Europe, Asia and Africa meet, so you can expand in any direction and still keep a contiguous land border (no overseas). Also, you'll hopefully be able to PU/diplovassalize/mess with the Berbers in ways that don't imply actually coring their provinces.
 

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I would do it as Byzantium for role-play reasons and be sure to declare the Roman empire reborn for additional bragging rights! As for how, naval dominance and a strong diplomatic game will be the keys to victory. :D
 

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I did exactly this with cyprus in eu3...

When I get balsy enough, I'll do it again here in eu4.
 

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Aragon might be a great choice but only if the Iberian Wedding could fire in the other direction as well.. ;)

Personally, I'd say Ottomans. Not having the lands as "overseas colonies" is important in itself, and being able to walk all the way is a major benefit. You don't want your Mediterranean fleet to consist of transports... These two things are what made me give up on my attempt at a Mediterranean empire as Granada. Well, I didn't try for Mediterranean empire, but as I opportunistically invaded in every direction to survive and muster enough manpower to stand against Castile, I ended up getting one, spread all over the place. Parts of Iberia, Southern Italy, Greece, Anatolia and North Africa. My fleet was 100% transport or I couldn't move my troops where I needed, and when something gets blockaded (which happens often in the Mediterranean thanks to those galley fleets) I had to buy access to several countries, many of which were not quite amicable to me.

But Castile might not be bad at all, if you think you could strike France early on, and hold the Emperor while you connect your territory from Iberia to Northern Italy through the HRE.
 

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Do it as papal states, and call it "god's lake of doom".
 

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Aragon might be a great choice but only if the Iberian Wedding could fire in the other direction as well.. ;)

Thankfully Castile is very manageable to beat if you team up with France for as long as they'll let you (You become a rival eventually). I recently did a colonial game as Aragonese Spain - Quite a different experience from Castile. Even managed to own most of Italy peacefully too.

not "The Holy Sea"?

Huehuehue :laugh:
 

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I actually did this in my first ironman EU game with Byzantium. You probably want the Ottomans, since they have the lowest interval between game start and having consolidated their power base, and have access to three theaters compared to Europeans' two for faster expansion, and thus reach hegemony faster. Persia is just amazing, it's basically better than 1.1 natives due to being a single, incredibly rich culture region with lots of preplaced cores.
 

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I actually did this in my first ironman EU game with Byzantium. You probably want the Ottomans, since they have the lowest interval between game start and having consolidated their power base, and have access to three theaters compared to Europeans' two for faster expansion, and thus reach hegemony faster. Persia is just amazing, it's basically better than 1.1 natives due to being a single, incredibly rich culture region with lots of preplaced cores.

They do get a strong start but they're also almost certainly going to be crusaded against, ally-less in Europe, and either fall behind or take a 50-year break to westernize and catch back up. Still a strong contender, and one I meant to do this with at first, but got caught up in the egyptian missions and turned towards india.

As Castile, though, I can call the crusade against them. It may work out. I managed to catch them while they were engaged in another war, so I could take another Algerian province as well as a dead-Byzantine core I can release and crusade in the "1st Castillian Holy War of Give-Stuff-Back"
 

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Hmm, i'd try with France actually. I have a game where i went with claims on Naples, took the land between, then vassalized Byzantines and fed it its cores back. Also entering iberia through Aragon and crushing Castile at every peace deal. Now you made me want to continue that game with your goal :p
 

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Aragon might be a great choice but only if the Iberian Wedding could fire in the other direction as well.. ;)

Personally, I'd say Ottomans. Not having the lands as "overseas colonies" is important in itself, and being able to walk all the way is a major benefit.

Except it will be overseas, even with a continuous land strip.
 

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Except it will be overseas, even with a continuous land strip.

That may be true for the new penalty attached to annexing vassals, but it does not apply to the tax base and manpower and such if continuity is maintained.

Nothing in this shot is "distant overseas" for example, not northern africa, not egypt, not india, not even rome

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