Game frozen when loading Scenario after modding

[Kyronea]

Okay, so I'm working on a mod that involves a whole lot of various things, like new nations, redistributed territory, ect ect.

I'm trying to test a couple of the nations I created(along with the territory redistribution) and I am at the end of my rope trying to figure out a problem here. I altered the 1936 scenario file to remove the countries that were taken out of the game as well as adding in the new countries, and also(simply because it would take too long to alter various treaties, ect) for the purpose of testing I took out the entire list of treaties, trades, and such.

What happens is that the scenario starts to load, the bar showing the loading process goes all the way to just over the Paradox symbol, and then it freezes. No error boxes appear...no error boxes hiding behind the screen...it just freezes. I cannot figure out why this is happening.

So what could I have done? Could it be I accidentally forgot to place a province somewhere under the correct controlling country? (For much of the redistribution I completely rewrote the national/controlled/owned province lists of several countries) Or is it something else I'm unaware of?

 

[unmerged(62194)]

Hmm, perhaps there is an unassigned province, i hear that can cause a load screen 'hang'.

What i do (i'm just a dabbler at this point but i have ambitions) is modify/redistribute territory/create nation (and give it stuff) and then test it - one nation at a time.

If that works, then i backup my entire so-far-modded-and-working-folder and then continue from the original folder i started modding from with the next nation, and so on.

Unfortunately this means that usually i have three instances (or more) of HOI II on my system; the unmodified vanilla, a copy of that which i begin to mod and a backup of the latter which is constantly updated as i successfully implement my changes (although sometimes, when a large body of work is complete, i'll even back that up!).

It's awkward but i've run into the same kinds of problems you have so many times that i decided that multiple backups is the only way to go.

Avoid a large amount of divergent changes between tests. Do the provinces, then do the tech teams, then do the ministers, then do the OOB etc, testing (and backing up if successful) between each step before moving on to the next.

Without a step by step log of all of your changes i don't think anyone can really help you.

Good luck however, and if it's any consolation, it's always easier to do the next time around. .

 

[Kyronea]

Okay. Thank you for the suggestion.

One last question, then: If something such as a trade or a relation piece of code points to a nation that is not in existence, will this cause a loading hang? The new nation INC files refer to several other new nations I plan to create that I haven't created yet. If it turns out that there isn't an unassigned province anywhere, could this be the cause?

 

[unmerged(62194)]

Ah, that might indeed be the cause of your problem.

I think you've probably not made any mistakes except in the order you've chosen to make them.

Get some provinces assigned to your new nations - even if just one if you're not sure on the borders etc just yet, and then test that that much is working - and then add everything else a nation needs, expanding its territory as you go along (or if the game is loading with just a raw nation with a single province, move onto your next new nation and so on. Finalise the trades, cabinets, leaders, etc last - that's my method anyway).

Nation first (defined tag, name, provinces, etc) then the 'internals' for that nation.

Again, im no expert, but as i'm sitting here (slowly) modding HOI II myself i thought i'd offer my advice.

Good Luck.

 

[unmerged(42223)]

Okay. Thank you for the suggestion.

One last question, then: If something such as a trade or a relation piece of code points to a nation that is not in existence, will this cause a loading hang? The new nation INC files refer to several other new nations I plan to create that I haven't created yet. If it turns out that there isn't an unassigned province anywhere, could this be the cause?

To the first question, probably no, but could if an event points to one and then fires 'after' the game is afoot.

But, what exactly do you mean, 'piece of code'?

Inc files only come into play IF called or as you say pointed to by the scenario eug. file.

An unassigned province will not hang loading unless chronic and still you should get error messages. Get any of those?

No loading at all is more likely a global file mishap not so much 'scenario' specific.

Generally not good to mod by memory, better copious notes. Some kind of paper trail to go back over.

 

[Kyronea]

I meant this sort of thing:

diplomacy =
{ relation = { tag = AFG value = 50 }

Obviously that's only part of the code, but that's what I meant.

Anyway, as I said, no error message. The global files were all fine, because everything loads perfectly if I replace all of the files with the back-ups I have of the originals.

I decided to try out the suggestion of testing the countries one at a time. The country I tried to test with was a very small country, only four provinces. I removed the ownership of those provinces from the country they originally belonged to, and tried testing it leaving everything else as it was originally.

Everything loads fine until it tries to load my new inc file, at which point it says it can't open the inc file. It doesn't matter what I name it; it simply can't open it.

 

[unmerged(42223)]

I meant this sort of thing:

diplomacy =
{ relation = { tag = AFG value = 50 }

Obviously that's only part of the code, but that's what I meant.

Anyway, as I said, no error message. The global files were all fine, because everything loads perfectly if I replace all of the files with the back-ups I have of the originals.

I decided to try out the suggestion of testing the countries one at a time. The country I tried to test with was a very small country, only four provinces. I removed the ownership of those provinces from the country they originally belonged to, and tried testing it leaving everything else as it was originally.

Everything loads fine until it tries to load my new inc file, at which point it says it can't open the inc file. It doesn't matter what I name it; it simply can't open it.

Ok, I was only being general. Could you post this inc file and the corresponding eug. file the scenario is using to call it?

 

[Kyronea]

The EUG file is just the standard 1936 file with "U00" included in the selectable nations part and this at the bottom:
include = "scenarios\1936\deseret.inc"

The INC is thus:

##############################
# Country Definition for U00 #
##############################

province = { 
             id = 733
             anti_air = 5
             air_base = { size = 8 current_size = 8 }
             landfort = { size = 1 current_size = 1 }
           } # Salt Lake City
province = { 
             id = 732
             anti_air = 3
             landfort = { size = 1 current_size = 1 }
           } # Provo

#####################
# Country Main Data #
#####################

country = {
      tag = U00
      energy = 1000
      metal = 1000
      rare_materials = 500
      oil = 500
      supplies = 500
      money = 15
      capital = 733
      manpower = 5
      policy =
  { date              = { year = 0 month = january day = 0 }
    democratic        = 7
    political_left    = 2
    freedom           = 7
    free_market       = 9
    professional_army = 2
    defense_lobby     = 2
    interventionism   = 1
  }

    nationalprovinces = { 732 733 }

    ownedprovinces = { 705 706 732 733 }

    controlledprovinces = { 705 706 732 733 }

    ##############
    # Minor Tech #
    ##############

    techapps = { 1010 1020 1110 1190 1310 2290 2300 2310 2450 2510 4010 4020 4120 5010 5020 5050 5090 5310 6010 6030 9010 9020 9030 }

    diplomacy = {
                 relation = { tag = USA value = -85 }
                 relation = { tag = MEX value = 175 }
                 relation = { tag = CSA value = -25 }
                }
    headofstate            = { type = 9 id = 500 }
    headofgovernment       = { type = 9 id = 501 }
    foreignminister        = { type = 9 id = 502 }
    armamentminister       = { type = 9 id = 503 }
    ministerofsecurity     = { type = 9 id = 504 }
    ministerofintelligence = { type = 9 id = 505 }
    chiefofstaff           = { type = 9 id = 506 }
    chiefofarmy            = { type = 9 id = 507 }
    chiefofnavy            = { type = 9 id = 508 }
    chiefofair             = { type = 9 id = 509 }

landunit = {
            id = { type = 5000 id = 1 }
            name = "Army of Deseret"
            location = 733
         division = {
                   id = { type = 5000 id = 2 }
                   name = "1st Deseret Infantry Division"
                   strength = 100
                   type = infantry
                   model = 1
                    }
         division = {
                   id = { type = 5000 id = 3 }
                   name = "2nd Deseret Infantry Division"
                   strength = 100
                   type = bergsjaeger
                    }
           }
airunit = {
            id = { type = 5000 id = 4 }
            name = "Air Force of Deseret"
            location = 733
            base = 733
          division = {
                    id = { type = 5000 id = 5 }
                    name = "1st DAF Fighter Squadron"
                    type = interceptor
                     }
          }
}

 

[unmerged(42223)]

nationalprovinces = { 732 733 }

ownedprovinces = { 705 706 732 733 }

controlledprovinces = { 705 706 732 733 }

need be in this order:

ownedprovinces = { 705 706 732 733 }
controlledprovinces = { 705 706 732 733 }
nationalprovinces = { 732 733 }

 

[Kyronea]

Really? Every other INC file is in the order I wrote it in. (I can't believe I haven't mentioned this, since it's probably really important, but I'm working with Armageddon 1.1)

I'll try that though.

EDIT: Tried and failed.

 

[unmerged(42223)]

Really? Every other INC file is in the order I wrote it in. (I can't believe I haven't mentioned this, since it's probably really important, but I'm working with Armageddon 1.1)

I'll try that though.

EDIT: Tried and failed.

Ok sorry, I never did anything except near exactly as vanilla, but the logic is that it does not matter I guess.

Sometimes inc. files corrupt. I would pull another that works and copy over the inards of U00 into it and save as deseret.inc.

Which by the way is another point. Does the file tree list the new country file with .inc?

 

[Kyronea]

Yes, if I understand what you mean there (That is, it's listed in the selectable countries list, which it is.)

I'll try what you suggested.

EDIT: SUCCESS! YEAH!

Okay. Now I will repeat this experiment with each altered file, in the hopes of finding the one that has the slight problem. I expect it's just a province that was not assigned somewhere(as I noticed through some corrections I had accidentally missed a few provinces. I need to keep better notes.)

Thank you very much.

 

[unmerged(42223)]

Yes, if I understand what you mean there (That is, it's listed in the selectable countries list, which it is.)

I'll try what you suggested.

EDIT: SUCCESS! YEAH!

Okay. Now I will repeat this experiment with each altered file, in the hopes of finding the one that has the slight problem. I expect it's just a province that was not assigned somewhere(as I noticed through some corrections I had accidentally missed a few provinces. I need to keep better notes.)

Thank you very much.

You welcome very much, happy modding!

 

[Kyronea]

Hmm...there seems to be some sort of problem with this INC file I am not seeing. According to the game, the scenario file "Has errors."

Seriously, that's all it said. Here's the INC file:

##############################
# Country Definition for CSA #
##############################

province = { 
             id = 632
             anti_air = 8
             landfort = { size = 5 current_size = 5 }
             air_base = { size = 10 current_size = 10 }
           } # Richmond
province = { 
             id = 633
             anti_air = 4
             landfort = { size = 4 current_size = 4 }
             coastalfort = { size = 3 current_size = 3 }
             naval_base = { size = 10 current_size = 10 }
           } # Norfolk
province = {
             id = 637
             anti_air = 3
             air_base = { size = 4 current_size = 4 }
           } # Charlotte
province = {
             id = 644
             anti_air = 3
             naval_base = { size = 10 current_size = 10 }
             coastalfort = { size = 2 current_size = 2 }
           } # Charleston (South Carolina)
province = {
             id = 669
             anti_air = 3
             air_base = { size = 4 current_size = 4 }
           } # Augusta
province = {
             id = 648
             anti_air = 3
             naval_base = { size = 10 current_size = 10 }
             coastalfort = { size = 2 current_size = 2 }
           } # Jacksonville
province = {
             id = 651
             anti_air = 3
             naval_base = { size = 10 current_size = 10 }
             coastalfort = { size = 2 current_size = 2 }
           } # Miami
province = {
             id = 642
             anti_air = 3
             air_base = { size = 4 current_size = 4 }
           } # Nashville
province = {
             id = 684
             anti_air = 3
             air_base = { size = 4 current_size = 4 }
           } # Little Rock
province = {
             id = 681
             anti_air = 3
             air_base = { size = 4 current_size = 4 }
           } # Alexandria
province = {
             id = 678
             anti_air = 3
             air_base = { size = 4 current_size = 4 }
           } # Biloxi
province = {
             id = 714
             anti_air = 3
             air_base = { size = 4 current_size = 4 }
           } # Lawton
province = {
             id = 676
             anti_air = 3
             naval_base = { size = 10 current_size = 10 }
             coastalfort = { size = 3 current_size = 3 }
           } # Mobile
province = {
             id = 680
             anti_air = 3
             naval_base = { size = 10 current_size = 10 }
             coastalfort = { size = 3 current_size = 3 }
           } # New Orleans
province = {
             id = 748
             anti_air = 3
             naval_base = { size = 10 current_size = 10 }
             coastalfort = { size = 3 current_size = 3 }
           } # Corpus Christi
province = {
             id = 715
             anti_air = 5
             air_base = { size = 10 current_size = 10 }
           } # Dallas
province = {
             id = 640
             anti_air = 3
             air_base = { size = 4 current_size = 4 }
             landfort = { size = 3 current_size = 3 }
           } # Louisville

#####################
# Country Main Data #
#####################

country = {
        tag = CSA
        energy = 1000
        metal = 1000
        rare_materials = 500
        oil = 500
        transports = 30
        escorts = 5
        peacetime_ic_mod = .8
        capital = 632
        manpower = 25
   policy =
  { date              = { year = 0 month = january day = 0 }
    democratic        = 1
    political_left    = 1
    freedom           = 1
    free_market       = 1
    professional_army = 6
    defense_lobby     = 5
    interventionism   = 5
  }
diplomacy = {
                 relation = { tag = ENG value = 50 }
                 relation = { tag = VIC value = -10 }
                 relation = { tag = USA value = -150 }
                 relation = { tag = MEX value = 90 }
                 relation = { tag = CAN value = 10 }
                 relation = { tag = U00 value = -25 }
                 relation = { tag = QUE value = -25 }
                 relation = { tag = DDR value = -50 }
                 relation = { tag = JAP value = -25 }
                 relation = { tag = CHI value = -15 }
                 relation = { tag = RUS value = 25 }
                 relation = { tag = RSI value = 25 }
                 relation = { tag = SAF value = 15 }
                 relation = { tag = NZL value = 15 }
                 relation = { tag = OTT value = 15 }
                 relation = { tag = TUR value = -20 }
                 relation = { tag = AST value = -20 }
                 relation = { tag = BEL value = -15 }
                 relation = { tag = HOL value = -10 }
                }

    nationalprovinces = { 631 632 633 634 635 636 637 638 639
                          640 641 642 643 644 645 646 647 648
                          649 650 651 652 653 664 665 666 668
                          669 670 671 672 673 674 675 676 677
                          678 679 680 681 682 683 684 685 686
                          712 713 714 715 716 717 718 719 720
                          721 746 748 629 630 538 793 }
    ownedprovinces = {    631 632 633 634 635 636 637 638 639
                          640 641 642 643 644 645 646 647 648
                          649 650 651 
                          669 670 671 672 673 674 675 676 677
                          678 679 680 681 682 683 684 685 686
                          712 713 714 715 716 717 718 720 721 746 719
                          748 793 }
    controlledprovinces = { 631 632 633 634 635 636 637 638 639
                          640 641 642 643 644 645 646 647 648
                          649 650 651 
                          669 670 671 672 673 674 675 676 677
                          678 679 680 681 682 683 684 685 686
                          712 713 714 715 716 717 719 718 720 721 746
                          748 793 }

    ##############
    # Major Tech #
    ##############

    techapps = { 1010 1020 1150 1190 1200 1310 2010 2290 2300 2310 2450 2510 3010 3020 3030 3070 3080 3090 3130 3140 3190 3200 3250 3260 3400 3410 3420 4010 4020 4120 4130 5010 5020 5030 5040 5050 5060 5080 5090 5190 5310 5320 6210 6220 8010 8020 8030 8040 8050 8080 9010 9020 9030 9040 }
    

         headofstate            = { type = 9 id = 573052 }
         headofgovernment       = { type = 9 id = 573053 }
         foreignminister        = { type = 9 id = 573054 }
         armamentminister       = { type = 9 id = 573055 }
         ministerofsecurity     = { type = 9 id = 573056 }
         ministerofintelligence = { type = 9 id = 573057 }
         chiefofstaff           = { type = 9 id = 573058 }
         chiefofarmy            = { type = 9 id = 573059 }
         chiefofnavy            = { type = 9 id = 573060 }
         chiefofair             = { type = 9 id = 573061 }

landunit = {
            id = { type = 5001 id = 1 }
            name = "First CSA Army COrps"
            location = 632
            division = { 
                         id = { type = 5001 id = 2 }
                         name = "1st ‘R.E. Lee’ Division"
                         strength = 100
                         type = infantry
                         model = 1 
                       }
            division = { 
                         id = { type = 5001 id = 3 }
                         name = "2nd ‘Longstreet’ Division"
                         strength = 100
                         type = infantry
                         model = 1 
                       }
            division = { 
                         id = { type = 5001 id = 4 }
                         name = "3rd ‘J.E. Johnston’ Division"
                         strength = 100
                         type = infantry
                         model = 1 
                       }
           }
landunit = {
            id = { type = 5001 id = 5 }
            name = "Second CSA Army COrps"
            location = 640
            division = { 
                         id = { type = 5001 id = 6 }
                         name = "4th ‘Jefferson Davis’ Division"
                         strength = 100
                         type = infantry
                         model = 1 
                       }
           }
landunit = {
            id = { type = 5001 id = 7 }
            name = "Third CSA Army COrps"
            location = 685
            division = { 
                         id = { type = 5001 id = 8 }
                         name = "5th ‘Stonewall’ Division"
                         strength = 100
                         type = infantry
                         model = 1 
                       }
           }
landunit = {
            id = { type = 5001 id = 9 }
            name = "Fourth CSA Army COrps"
            location = 712
            division = { 
                         id = { type = 5001 id = 10 }
                         name = "6th 'A.S. Johnston’ Division"
                         strength = 100
                         type = infantry
                         model = 1 
                       }
           }
landunit = {
            id = { type = 5001 id = 11 }
            name = "Fifth CSA Army COrps"
            location = 717
            division = { 
                         id = { type = 5001 id = 12 }
                         name = "7th ‘Bragg’ Division"
                         strength = 100
                         type = infantry
                         model = 1 
                       }
           }
navalunit = {
             id = { type = 5001 id = 13 }
             name = "CSA Caribbean Fleet"
             location = 676
             base = 676
             division = {
                         id = { type = 5001 id = 14 }
                         name = "CSS Sequoyah"
                         type = battlecruiser
                        }
             division = {
                         id = { type = 5001 id = 15 }
                         name = "CSS Richmond"
                         type = heavy_cruiser
                        }
             division = {
                         id = { type = 5001 id = 16 }
                         name = "1st Destroyer Flotilla"
                         type = destroyer
                        }
             division = {
                         id = { type = 5001 id = 17 }
                         name = "2nd Destroyer Flotilla"
                         type = destroyer
                        }
            }
navalunit = {
             id = { type = 5001 id = 18 }
             name = "Secret Confederate Submarine Fleet"
             location = 644
             base = 644
             division = {
                          id = { type = 5001 id = 19 }
                          name = "1st Submarine Flotilla"
                          type = submarine
                          model = 2
                        }
             division = {
                          id = { type = 5001 id = 20 }
                          name = "2nd Submarine Flotilla"
                          type = submarine
                          model = 2
                        }
             division = {
                          id = { type = 5001 id = 21 }
                          name = "3rd Submarine Flotilla"
                          type = submarine
                          model = 2
                        }
             division = {
                          id = { type = 5001 id = 22 }
                          name = "4th Submarine Flotilla"
                          type = submarine
                          model = 2
                        }
             division = {
                          id = { type = 5001 id = 23 }
                          name = "5th Submarine Flotilla"
                          type = submarine
                          model = 2
                        }
             division = {
                          id = { type = 5001 id = 24 }
                          name = "6th Submarine Flotilla"
                          type = submarine
                          model = 2
                        }
             }
navalunit = {
             id = { type = 5001 id = 25 }
             name = "CSA Atlantic Fleet"
             location = 633
             base = 633
             division = {
                         id = { type = 5001 id = 26 }
                         name = "CSS Texas"
                         type = battlecruiser
                        }
             division = {
                         id = { type = 5001 id = 27 }
                         name = "CSS Atlanta"
                         type = heavy_cruiser
                        }
             division = {
                         id = { type = 5001 id = 28 }
                         name = "3rd Destroyer Flotilla"
                         type = destroyer
                        }
             division = {
                         id = { type = 5001 id = 29 }
                         name = "4th Destroyer Flotilla"
                         type = destroyer
                        }
            }
airunit = {
           id = { type = 5001 id = 30 }
           name = "CSAAF Fighter Wing"
           location = 632
           base = 632
           division = {
                       id = { type = 5001 id - 31 }
                       name = "1st CSAAF Fighter Squadron"
                       type = interceptor
                       model = 1
                            }
          }
     }

It loaded, though, and otherwise seems to work just fine. It just said it "has errors" which confuses me.

 

[unmerged(42223)]

That most likely means that this countries assigned controlled and owned province list is in conflict with another country trying to control or own a same province.

The scenario can generally endure one or two such errors, but it is not well to let it stand un-corrected.

 

[Kyronea]

Hmm...you're probably right.

I went through and looked at it...I noticed Corpus Christi (748) wasn't on the list for some reason... I corrected that but it didn't get rid of the error message. (I did proceed to alter many other province assignments for a few nations successfully up to a point before it started freezing again, which probably means the conflict became too severe somewhere and I'm just not seeing it.)

So what I will do is set this aside for the moment and get some sleep. Thanks again for your help, and I will post in the morning/whenever if I need more assistance.