Gaining prestige from a war?

[Emperor Basil]

I can't for the life of me work out what peace offers to make on subdued powers. Sometimes I lose prestige sometimes I gain it. Sometimes taking or forcing a rebellious vassal to recognise a ducal title gives me loads of prestige sometimes it takes loads away. Sometimes taking their lands gives me prestige sometimes not. Does it depend on the circumstances? Such as whether I have a genuine claim to a title or I've grapped it; or whether he's made a bid for my throne?
What do the war scores and peace scores mean? They seem to have some bearing on my prestige but whether that is positive or negative seems to be somewhat random.

 

[unmerged(102980)]

Are you playing CK or DV?

I don't remember in CK, but in DV to gain prestige you need a positive peace score that is less than the war score. The prestige you get will be the difference between the war and peace scores. If your peace score is greater than your war score or if it is negative you will lose prestige.

 

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That seems backward?

 

[Slavic]

rahmanry is right

I'm assuming that you lose prestige when you your peace score is higher than your war score is because you are essentially taking more gains then you deserve in that war thus making your actions less prestigious.

If you settle for smaller gains despite that fact that you had an overwhelming war victory you are seen as being prestigious in your actions.

 

[unmerged(75409)]

Defeating people is seen as prestigeous, not actually robbing them of their lands. Aristocratic ethics.

 

[unmerged(31020)]

I really haven't fully understood this either. What I've found out by now:

A white peace will never give you prestige, no matter how big your warscore is. You have to take something from them. But not too much.

Defeating people who have a lot of claims on you gives huge prestige, which is easily exploitable. Have some kid with claims on all your titles next door? Grab his count title, go over, spank him a bit and force-vassalize him, without taking anything else. That heroic act will make you the world's most prestigious leader.

 

[unmerged(75409)]

I really haven't fully understood this either. What I've found out by now:

A white peace will never give you prestige, no matter how big your warscore is. You have to take something from them. But not too much.

Defeating people who have a lot of claims on you gives huge prestige, which is easily exploitable. Have some kid with claims on all your titles next door? Grab his count title, go over, spank him a bit and force-vassalize him, without taking anything else. That heroic act will make you the world's most prestigious leader.

Pretty much! Although often you can balance actual land grabs with claims that you give up. And of course grabing the titles will have cost you a fair deal of prestige unless the guy was excommunicated so it is not such a great way to get prestige all in all.

The best thing actually is when people rebel against you and have claims on your king titles. Those are usually worth 1000s of warscore and you get full warscore on them if you conquer all his provinces, allowing you to take 100s worth of claims and still gain prestige.

 

[Emperor Basil]

Thanks. I actually just figured this out not long after posting this. I did get a bug once though where when I forced them to hand over their titles and claims to me it actually gave them to them. I had to surrender them in order to keep them. Very weird.
Anyway, it now seems somewhat straightforward. No troubles in gaining prestige.

 

[vwclaymore]

Thanks. I actually just figured this out not long after posting this. I did get a bug once though where when I forced them to hand over their titles and claims to me it actually gave them to them. I had to surrender them in order to keep them. Very weird.
Anyway, it now seems somewhat straightforward. No troubles in gaining prestige.

Yeah, I seemed to get this when fighting my former liege. I've since started saving right before peace deals just to make sure that the outcome is what it was supposed to be.

 

[unmerged(75409)]

Thanks. I actually just figured this out not long after posting this. I did get a bug once though where when I forced them to hand over their titles and claims to me it actually gave them to them. I had to surrender them in order to keep them. Very weird.
Anyway, it now seems somewhat straightforward. No troubles in gaining prestige.

The only problem is with counts who have claims on your king level titles. When you make peace and you want to force them to give up the claims to your king titles, it sometimes goes wrong and instead of him giving up the claim he actually gets the title. So all of a sudden the two-bit count of Karvuna is the Emperor of Byzantium, while you are demoted to King of Bulgaria and are 10 provinces over your demesne limit.
Supposedly this was fixed at some point but it still happens with the latest beta patch.