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So, i propose PDX add the G10N for a Japanese strategic bomber. :D
Here comes a bunch of wikipedia stuff!

The Nakajima G10N Fugaku (Japanese: 富岳 or 富嶽, "Mount Fuji"), was a planned Japanese ultra-long-range heavy bomber designed during World War II. It was conceived as a method for mounting aerial attacks from Japan against industrial targets along the West Coast(e.g., San Diego), Midwestern (e.g., Detroit, Chicago, and Wichita) and Northeastern (e.g, New York and Norfolk) of the United States.

The Fugaku had its origins in "Project Z", a 1942 Imperial Japanese Army specification for an intercontinental bomber which could take off from the Kuril Islands, bomb the continental United States, then continue onward to land in German-occupied France. Once there, it would be refitted and make another return sortie.

It had 18,000km range, 20,000kg bombload and was fast enough to outrun a Bf.109 G-6 at 10km. :D
 
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You realize that it would just be a flavor name and an flavor icon in the tech tree right? Stat wise the G10N would be the same vehicle as the other nations bombers at the same techlevel, with some variation through your designing company.
 
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It would work best with a new class of "Super bomber," which is able to fly massive distances. Several of the major nations developed them during WW2, but none ever entered service:

USA: B-36 Peacemaker
Germany: Any Amerika Bomber
UK: Vickers Type C
Japan: G10N Fugaku
 
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It would work best with a new class of "Super bomber," which is able to fly massive distances. Several of the major nations developed them during WW2, but none ever entered service:

USA: B-36 Peacemaker
Germany: Any Amerika Bomber
UK: Vickers Type C
Japan: G10N Fugaku
That is something i would really like!
 
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Problem is, GN10 characteristics are fantasy even for 1950s bombers.
B-36 and Soviet TU-95 have far worse characteristics, being both much later planes.
 
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From the Japanese websites I read, there are many caveats in the design. The range listed is one-way trip: it would dump its load over the US then proceed to land in German occupied France to refuel and rearm, then either bomb US again on the return trip too or go over the USSR, possibly bombing them too (as Luftwaffe ofc), maybe even India or China. Some claimed that the plane was supposed to utilize the stratosphere jet stream to maintain the range (like the balloon bombs), making their path predictable. The load was also too optimistic, and was said to be cut down to 15t later.

Most of the listed spec also relied on an improbable 6*5000hp engine (Ha-54) design, which was proven impossible due to cooling problems, one website claimed that the prototype literally caught fire during the test, and was downspeced to 6*3000hp engine (Ha-50). Three Ha-50 were made in or before 1944 but all "disappeared" following Japan's surrender, however one was dug up during Tokyo Haneda airport's expansion in 1984 and is now kept in The Museum of Aeronautical Sciences at Narita Airport, Google "ハ50" for images. It's badly rusted though and was thus not testable. There're many, many more problems with it before its cancellation, like having four wheels but two of which have to be jettisoned after taking off to reduce dead weight, making the "return bombing trip" implausible (unless Germany manufactures the wheels for Japan), and even then it's said that Japan couldn't make landing gears strong enough to carry the beast, and pressurized cabin remained an unresolved problem.

There's another problem with the project: we don't know the motive. It first emerged as a plan Nakajima Kikuhei (founder of Nakajima Aircraft) submitted to the military in 1942 titled "Invincible Air Defense Project" which called for giant bombers that can bomb the 50 states and can be remodelled as transport planes or attackers, but it wasn't until 1943/5/31 did the IJN general staff invited him to dinner for the said project, later the IJA also wanted this Wunderwaffe and the two ended up throwing competing requirements (F-35 anyone?), but that's not the point here.

The point is, that Nakajima was an outspoken critic against the decision of a war against the US, warning that Japan's industrial power was inferior to the US and they would not be able to overcome that. Also, Nakajima was probably not happy about the IRAA sidelining him, as he was an ambitious politician, having substantial influence in the Rikken Seiyūkai (one of the two major pre-war parties), and going as far as formally splitting his faction from the rest of the party (97 MP followed Nakajima, 66 stayed in the Orthodox faction, 10 stayed neutral, effectively tripartiting the Rikken Seiyūkai), though the chaotic Japanese politics ended in less than a year due to IRAA. In any case Nakajima was basically the last person you'd expect actively designing and lobbying for a Wunderwaffe, so there were a few conspiracy theories(?) out there, like he was actually aiming for the transport version for civilian use to keep Nakajima Aircraft afloat after the inevitable and appropriating military funds and resources in the process, or perhaps Nakajima's plan was to have his men be always working on something grandeur to please the military and prevent them from being drafted to die meaninglessly, and Fugaku was speced to be theoretically possible so that the military would buy into it, but technically implausible so no one could claim that they're slacking off while sparing them from draft indefinitely. These were further reinforced by the fact that the companies split off from Nakajima Aircraft mostly choose to put "Fuji" somewhere in their names (instead of something they actually completed like the jet Kikka which was a memorable feat), interpreted as people owing their fortunes to Fugaku. Later five of them would merge into Fuji Heavy Industries which is now known for its car brand Subaru. Nakajima would later be arrested on 45/12/2 by the Allied authorities for crime against peace before being released on 47/9/1.
 
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From the Japanese websites I read, there are many caveats in the design. The range listed is one-way trip: it would dump its load over the US then proceed to land in German occupied France to refuel and rearm, then either bomb US again on the return trip too or go over the USSR, possibly bombing them too (as Luftwaffe ofc), maybe even India or China. Some claimed that the plane was supposed to utilize the stratosphere jet stream to maintain the range (like the balloon bombs), making their path predictable. The load was also too optimistic, and was said to be cut down to 15t later.

Most of the listed spec also relied on an improbable 6*5000hp engine (Ha-54) design, which was proven impossible due to cooling problems, one website claimed that the prototype literally caught fire during the test, and was downspeced to 6*3000hp engine (Ha-50). Three Ha-50 were made in or before 1944 but all "disappeared" following Japan's surrender, however one was dug up during Tokyo Haneda airport's expansion in 1984 and is now kept in The Museum of Aeronautical Sciences at Narita Airport, Google "ハ50" for images. It's badly rusted though and was thus not testable. There're many, many more problems with it before its cancellation, like having four wheels but two of which have to be jettisoned after taking off to reduce dead weight, making the "return bombing trip" implausible (unless Germany manufactures the wheels for Japan), and even then it's said that Japan couldn't make landing gears strong enough to carry the beast, and pressurized cabin remained an unresolved problem.

There's another problem with the project: we don't know the motive. It first emerged as a plan Nakajima Kikuhei (founder of Nakajima Aircraft) submitted to the military in 1942 titled "Invincible Air Defense Project" which called for giant bombers that can bomb the 50 states and can be remodelled as transport planes or attackers, but it wasn't until 1943/5/31 did the IJN general staff invited him to dinner for the said project, later the IJA also wanted this Wunderwaffe and the two ended up throwing competing requirements (F-35 anyone?), but that's not the point here.

The point is, that Nakajima was an outspoken critic against the decision of a war against the US, warning that Japan's industrial power was inferior to the US and they would not be able to overcome that. Also, Nakajima was probably not happy about the IRAA sidelining him, as he was an ambitious politician, having substantial influence in the Rikken Seiyūkai (one of the two major pre-war parties), and going as far as formally splitting his faction from the rest of the party (97 MP followed Nakajima, 66 stayed in the Orthodox faction, 10 stayed neutral, effectively tripartiting the Rikken Seiyūkai), though the chaotic Japanese politics ended in less than a year due to IRAA. In any case Nakajima was basically the last person you'd expect actively designing and lobbying for a Wunderwaffe, so there were a few conspiracy theories(?) out there, like he was actually aiming for the transport version for civilian use to keep Nakajima Aircraft afloat after the inevitable and appropriating military funds and resources in the process, or perhaps Nakajima's plan was to have his men be always working on something grandeur to please the military and prevent them from being drafted to die meaninglessly, and Fugaku was speced to be theoretically possible so that the military would buy into it, but technically implausible so no one could claim that they're slacking off while sparing them from draft indefinitely. These were further reinforced by the fact that the companies split off from Nakajima Aircraft mostly choose to put "Fuji" somewhere in their names (instead of something they actually completed like the jet Kikka which was a memorable feat), interpreted as people owing their fortunes to Fugaku. Later five of them would merge into Fuji Heavy Industries which is now known for its car brand Subaru. Nakajima would later be arrested on 45/12/2 by the Allied authorities for crime against peace before being released on 47/9/1.

This forums always amaze me with interesting stories and what not. Thank you for sharing this interesting piece of information; no where in hell am I going to find this in both U.S. and Japan public school books >>
 
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for the sake of exposition, here's a picture of what the Nakajima G10N Fugaku would've looked like:

figures that it would come from a War Thunder forum discussion :)
FUGAKU-G.jpg


also yeah unless the japanese manufacturers had godlike skills (and german support, of which both may very well have been the case) there's no way in hell the G10N could've achieved nearly 200 KPH faster than the B-36.

as for inclusion in HOI 4, i'd say add in 6-prop bombers like these at or near the end of the strat bomber tech tree. there's only so long they would be able to stay relevant in the face of jet fighters and even jet bombers. though in fairness even a MiG-17 or F-86 Sabre would need to take SOME time to down a 6-prop behemoth like this.
(having played the hell out of war thunder, i'm still kind amazed just how long 4 and even 2-prop aircraft can survive getting shredded. it's really quite amazing)

specification links:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakajima_G10N#Specifications_.28Project_Z_.2F_Fugaku_projected.29

vs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convair_B-36_Peacemaker#Specifications_.28B-36J-III.29

and just for the hell of it: an IRL picture of a B-36 next to a Superfortress
take in mind the G10N is alomst exactly 5 meters shorter than a B-36
B-36aarrivalcarswell1948.jpg
 

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Seeing that B-36 brings back memories for me. My father flew in one during the 50's. Taking me to see one at Wright-Patterson Air force base when I was a kid was very memorable. Thanks for the picture.