Fun fact: sapmi reindeer hunters have technology to cross Pacific

[zdlugasz]

They can build carracks in 1444 and after a few decades colonize America, crossing Pacific will take some more time of course.

Do not believe? In two days load patch from steam and play EU4.

 

[zemuzil]

This is why Finland and Finnish revolters like sami /karelia shouldn't be in western tech

 

[Olligarchy]

...what...?

 

[zemuzil]

...what...?

He is merely pointing that tech group Finnish people in this game have is way too high

they should be even below muslim tech ,no offense but no way sami other finno ugric people or even Finland were more advanced than Poland or Hungary like eu4 now presents

 

[myrsl0ken]

He's just making a slightly racist joke. Nothing to see here.

 

[fruity gamer]

He's just making a slightly racist joke. Nothing to see here.

Rather, I think an ironic/sarcastic statement to contrast with his previous thread about the Inca not having boats.

 

[zdlugasz]

He's just making a slightly racist joke. Nothing to see here.

Nothing racist really. Well, the joke was actually pointed toward Pdox and people opposing giving e.g. Inca even transport ships.

He is merely pointing that tech group Finnish people in this game have is way too high

they should be even below muslim tech ,no offense but no way sami other finno ugric people or even Finland were more advanced than Poland or Hungary like eu4 now presents

I agree that they have tech group they do not deserve. Muslim group would not change really much, they would be still able to build carracks (tech 3?) and colonize

 

[Krajzen]

He's just making a slightly racist joke. Nothing to see here.

 

[Ixal]

He's just making a slightly racist joke. Nothing to see here.

Nah, hes just angry that people are not buying his "Incas were expert sailors and should be able to build ships even though there is no evidence for it" demands

 

[Krajzen]

As for the thread itself, I think Siberian clans (stone age hunter gatherers) would do for a much cooler contrast as they have boats and CHINESE technology

Sapmi tag has unrealistic tech, sure, but do you imagine this almost-never-appearing tag of base tax 1 frozen tundra animist tribe having any chances against fuckin Sweden and Russia if it had 100% tech penalty on top of all of that?

 

[zdlugasz]

Nah, hes just angry that people are not buying his "Incas were expert sailors and should be able to build ships even though there is no evidence for it" demands

Nobody said anything about expert sailors, still the evidence that they were building ships exist. You do not believe that I translated statements from book correctly, go find it yourself (or similar one).

Edit: Pizzaro's people encountered cargo naval vessel with 20 people, I assume crew, since there were no tourists at that times. That should be easily confirmable in any university Library which has department dealing either with pre-columbian cultures in south america or with Spanish expansion in new world in 16th century.

 

[AluminumSoldier]

Impossible. They aren't even on the pacific ocean. But their reindeer technology could probably get them across the Atlantic.

 

[fridabina]

Gotta say i find it more unlikely that Sapmi form a nation state (as opposed to a tribal confederacy of some sort with shit tech.) than Inca building boats capable of ocean traveling.

 

[Rascar Capac]

Impossible. They aren't even on the pacific ocean. But their reindeer technology could probably get them across the Atlantic.

One can't belittle reindeer technology. It lifts people up to the sky every Christmas.

 

[Chief of Staff]

Not familiar with Sami but perhaps place them in Nomadic tech group and then provide them ideas that make it them more harder to conquer like giving enemy high attrition and stronger fort bonus or something. Again, I don't know enough about them. Maybe someone has better solution/idea.

 

[Thrake]

One can't belittle reindeer technology. It lifts people up to the sky every Christmas.

They really deserve ther own tech group, allowing units to cross sea tiles and invulnerability to cavalry (shooting arrows from high in the sky). Muskets weren't accurate enough to aim them.

 

[EleventhAvenue]

How is this more odd than another nation owning a Sami-cultured province and launching Carracks from it?

I don't think the Sami revolter represents a bunch of nomadic people removing all the non-sami from their provinces. If that was the case, the revolter would not be western tech.

 

[fridabina]

Not familiar with Sami but perhaps place them in Nomadic tech group and then provide them ideas that make it them more harder to conquer like giving enemy high attrition and stronger fort bonus or something. Again, I don't know enough about them. Maybe someone has better solution/idea.

The best solution since they are now in the game is to make something like a Siberian(Northern?) natives Tech group where Sapmi would be put in. I don't see why they are in the game more than a culture though. They are tribal people living in extremely small communities in unfertile land, isn't that what native population is for in uncolonised land?
But they are here to stay and i suppose some people will find it satisfying to have Western Feudal Kingdom of Sapmi getting released from Sweden.

 

[zdlugasz]

As for the thread itself, I think Siberian clans (stone age hunter gatherers) would do for a much cooler contrast as they have boats and CHINESE technology

Sapmi tag has unrealistic tech, sure, but do you imagine this almost-never-appearing tag of base tax 1 frozen tundra animist tribe having any chances against fuckin Sweden and Russia if it had 100% tech penalty on top of all of that?

Still I suppose that they were stone-age too. I think to be e.g. bronze age you have to produce bronze (and not to gain trickle by raiding/trading)

 

[Heinrikr]

Not familiar with Sami but perhaps place them in Nomadic tech group and then provide them ideas that make it them more harder to conquer like giving enemy high attrition and stronger fort bonus or something. Again, I don't know enough about them. Maybe someone has better solution/idea.

Why? The Samis were certainly not hard to conquer, and they have never been famous for their strong forts if they ever did build one to begin with.