Anyone else get frustrated when you have a holy war at a warscore of 95% in your favor, and then your enemy converts to your religion? It's been happening a lot with the pagans in the game I'm playing as Sweden.
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Frustrating Conversions
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Why, the way you're speaking it almost sounds like your "holy" war was actually just a war of conquest and not about converting the heathens at all!
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More serious response: I like this mechanic and the fact that Holy War isn't just an easy duchy conquest CB against pagans.
In fact I'm glad that 2.6 is expanding the "convert to attacker religion" mechanic so that it's not only for pagans being attacked by Abrahamics. In my current campaign as Fylkir I did tons of conquering using holy wars, making my religion strong but also nearly unique to my empire. Having them sometimes convert instead might have lead to the faith actually spreading outside my borders much more than it did.
In fact I'm glad that 2.6 is expanding the "convert to attacker religion" mechanic so that it's not only for pagans being attacked by Abrahamics. In my current campaign as Fylkir I did tons of conquering using holy wars, making my religion strong but also nearly unique to my empire. Having them sometimes convert instead might have lead to the faith actually spreading outside my borders much more than it did.
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While I agree that you or the AI should have the right to flip religion versus being conquered, there should still be a cutoff point (say 90%) to be fair. Otherwise it just feels like an exploit or cop-out- whether you happen to be the one being attacked that can just use the local religion decision later or if you're the one getting jilted.
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I was about to argue about how it's good how it is and that'd he'd do the same if he was in the AI's shoes, but that cut-off idea is actually brilliant.
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What are you complaining about - you "won" didn't you ? The target realm converted and now their souls are all saved.
Good job, your reward is waiting for you in heaven !
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Agreed. My frustration comes from spending a lot of men, money, and time getting so close, and then feeling like I don't get much in return.
Currently having this problem in my 4th holy war for murom. I defeat two armies, siege down two holdings and them bam they convert days away from me finishing them. Worst bit is they flip straight back to pagan, hence the 4th holy war!
They Lied ?! They weren't sincere about their conversion at the tip of a sword ? I'm shocked, SHOCKED I tells ya !
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One could have that if the warscore is high enough when they convert (say, above 75 % which is the maximum you can gain from battles) then you will vassalise them as well, just to ensure the trustworthiness of their conversion, of course.
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That and you would of course be willing defend your new brethren from any neighbouring pagans looking to take advantage of the situation.
How about this:
When the defender flips to the attackers religion, all holdings preveously sieged down fall into the attackers hands.
It is a kind of surrender anyway.
When the defender flips to the attackers religion, all holdings preveously sieged down fall into the attackers hands.
It is a kind of surrender anyway.
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I like the way it plays out now, but the 'loser' really should get some sort of temporary benefit to protect him from his own vassals. Nothing's more infuriating than fighting a knock down, drag out Holy War, or worse yet, Jihad/Crusade, and then when you get into the 90%+ range, they convert and then less than a week later are overthrown in favor of their strongest vassal, while you wait out the 70 year cooldown between Great Holy Wars.
If he is overthrown then you no longer have a truce and can immideatly holy war him. And it only takes 30 years Before the cooldown is restored.
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