Friendship & Rivalry

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If I recall accurately, in CK1

your rivals could:

- send assassins
- let you down if it was your wife
- Spymaster could attempt to assassinate you
- Treasurer would steal from you

your friends could:

- send mercenaries to help you out
- trigger events where your friend's friend is your friend, or something like that.

ahem, that's all what I remember.

Anyway, I would like to see much more consequences from interpersonal relations in CK2, such as:

- The player is able to hire mercenaries to help a friend
- Ask a friend a favor (ask for a loan, gift, or to mediate with his angry wife)
- Give a highly positive effect to alliance or reinforcement requests when the ruler of the other duchy is your friend
- If the player is attacked, even if not allied, a close friend may intervene if he currently controlling a demesne.
- A friend with high piety could help if the player is facing excommunication, or is already excommuniated.
- A courtier assigned to help the ruler with his treasury would sometimes perform with great zeal if he is a friend.
- Long date friends would be less susceptible to the player's infamy or lack of piety.
- Having immensly prestigious our pious friends would bring yearly prestige to the player.
- Beind friend of a despised person should likewise bring your reputation down.

Player should also be able to "revoke" friendship with a person who have a lot of infamy or that is excommunicated

Well, you got the picture, this is something that I felt cruelly missing from CK1. Friendship at that time had more weight than nowadays and I would like to see that reflected in several aspects of the game.

Regards,

inquisiteur

 

[yourworstnightm]

rivals should always be involved in plotting against each other. Rival courtiers should basically be at each others throat. Rival rulers would certainly not get along well, and might end up claiming each others' titles.

 

[Xerex]

I think the most important part of the friends and rivals should be in succession. For example Rivals will help your second son and you will end of with a civil war or a rebelion at least. Also if the laws alow you to succeed the king they can help or cause trouble.

 

[currieboy]

I'd like to see a spheres of influence-esque system where people who have strong personalities or are good soldiers etc can gather others around them, sometimes even their noble 'superiors'. An awesome martial duke who wins crusades singlehandedly whilst impregnating the pope should gather other dukes and counts respect and, eventually, they should become a quasi-faction. If he decideds to revolt then his associates may send martial aid or money. They'll give bonuses in foreign courts by talking him up etc. When he dies then it eiher disintegrates or, if the son is also quite good, then they should stick together s'more. Maybe one of the 'lesser' members could take charge.

This way if you have two or more 'strong' characters near to each other, or with conflicting interests,then it could lead to a massive war which is always a good thing in P'Dox games. If the faction members adore the leader enough then they may bequeath their lands to them upon death etc...

I don't know tooooo much about things like this in reality but it would be a nice addition. Think a mixture of SOI and Trade Leauges in EU3 and the faction system in Rome X20.

 

[RedRooster81]

I think that it is time to revisit this thread, with the new info that we have received from the developers. I have an important question, given this week's video DD (which may I say again, is really cool). Actually two.

(1) How will friendships and rivalries be played out? Will there be relation modifiers showing more nuanced relationships, like say:

(a) godparentage/fosterage: this should be a lifetime link between the foster child and foster family AND between foster family and birth family. Godparentage would be a nice link, too, but might complicate things too much. Godparents (and foster parents, who can be assumed to be the same) were vital to establishing connections and had responsibility for the moral and material welfare of the child. So: interesting events, too. And high-level nobles and royals should be godparents to other nobles as well as commoners. It went hand in hand with ideas of noblesse oblige, or paternalism.

(b) Mentor-protege relations: we see this already in CK1 where there is a rather rare event for bonding between your child's mentor (i.e., the council member in charge of his or her area of education: e.g., the marshal for knights-in-training) and your child. This could endure with some kind of character flags for both parties, with suitable events or personal decisions to the same. Like foster parentage, this should create life-long or at least long-term opportunities for nepotism.

(c) Cohort relations: this should go either way as in CK1: you could become friends for life with your fellow pages at court or become mortal enemies. The better to spread out your little heirs.

(*) Of course, there should be room for all of these relations to fall apart, either during childhood or thereafter, which leads to the next point:

(2) this thread also brought up the issue of Spheres of Influence. I think that this could extend to having proteges throughout your realm, along the lines of a faction system. I've suggested this elsewhere, and I think that it is something that the devs should seriously consider if they have not already.

Thanks, and I welcome comments from both devs and my fellow enthusiasts on the forum.

 

[Xain]

I think that it is time to revisit this thread, with the new info that we have received from the developers. I have an important question, given this week's video DD (which may I say again, is really cool). Actually two.

(1) How will friendships and rivalries be played out? Will there be relation modifiers showing more nuanced relationships, like say:

(a) godparentage/fosterage: this should be a lifetime link between the foster child and foster family AND between foster family and birth family. Godparentage would be a nice link, too, but might complicate things too much. Godparents (and foster parents, who can be assumed to be the same) were vital to establishing connections and had responsibility for the moral and material welfare of the child. So: interesting events, too. And high-level nobles and royals should be godparents to other nobles as well as commoners. It went hand in hand with ideas of noblesse oblige, or paternalism.

(b) Mentor-protege relations: we see this already in CK1 where there is a rather rare event for bonding between your child's mentor (i.e., the council member in charge of his or her area of education: e.g., the marshal for knights-in-training) and your child. This could endure with some kind of character flags for both parties, with suitable events or personal decisions to the same. Like foster parentage, this should create life-long or at least long-term opportunities for nepotism.

(c) Cohort relations: this should go either way as in CK1: you could become friends for life with your fellow pages at court or become mortal enemies. The better to spread out your little heirs.

(*) Of course, there should be room for all of these relations to fall apart, either during childhood or thereafter, which leads to the next point:

(2) this thread also brought up the issue of Spheres of Influence. I think that this could extend to having proteges throughout your realm, along the lines of a faction system. I've suggested this elsewhere, and I think that it is something that the devs should seriously consider if they have not already.

Thanks, and I welcome comments from both devs and my fellow enthusiasts on the forum.

I totally agree with point 1.