Frequent Stuttering

[Prof. Wubba]

Right so lately I've been getting back into CKII. Which is all great but since I started playing it again I've been having frequent stutters, especially when on terrain view or higher speeds. My PC specs definitely meet the requirements and the recommendations. I've fussed about with the various settings and tried most things I've seen in similar threads on this forum, such as lowering graphics settings and doing a clean re-instal. An interesting thing is that the last time I really played much was around The Old Gods and I distinctly remember the game running flawlessly. I've attached my dxdiag. Thanks in advance for your help and time. View attachment DxDiag.txt

 

[Had a dad]

2 things, you seem to have a great deal of things running as your page file is almost 5 GB, and you may want to limit your page file to say 8 GB. As it is, it's just shy of 20GB as a max, and if the OS keeps resizing it, it can cause performance issues for any application.

 

[Prof. Wubba]

Could you elaborate for me? I'm not that tech savvy so I'm not sure what to make of that.

 

[AndrewT]

When a Windows machine runs out of available memory, it swaps programs out of memory into a Swap (page) file.

Memory: 12288MB RAM
Available OS Memory: 12280MB RAM
Page File: 4709MB used, 19847MB available

12gb is a lot of memory, so for that to be used up means you are running a LOT of stuff at once, sometimes at least. That may or may not be rleated to your game problem, just an observation really.

Your sound drivers are quite old, I'd get updates for both those. We've had one or two issues recently with sound setups causing this problem. You can test this by editing settings.txt to say master_volume=0 (so no sound at all), if that helps we're in the right area.

 

[Prof. Wubba]

It's really odd that you mentioned I am running out of memory; when I look at running processes it generally tells me I'm using a tiny part of my memory. This is especially unusual because I only run a few things at once (steam, TS, a browser, Foobar) and I've tried closing out of all I can but it has not helped.

 

[AndrewT]

The fact that your page file is significantly used shows that, sometime during this Windows session, it's had to swap something out of memory to file. It does not mean you are out of memory at right this instant.

As I said, no evidence this is anything to do with your problem, I'm just trying to help you understand since you asked for clarification.

 

[Prof. Wubba]

The fact that your page file is significantly used shows that, sometime during this Windows session, it's had to swap something out of memory to file. It does not mean you are out of memory at right this instant.

As I said, no evidence this is anything to do with your problem, I'm just trying to help you understand since you asked for clarification.

I've done what you suggested in updating my audio drivers and I've also tested the game without sound, unfortunately I'm still getting pretty bad stuttering. I've also attached my new updated dxdiag.

View attachment DxDiag.txt

 

[AndrewT]

You've updated the Realtek driver which you are not using, but not the C-media driver you are using:

Description: Speakers (Sennheiser 3D G4ME1)
Default Sound Playback: Yes
Default Voice Playback: Yes
Hardware ID: USB\VID_1395&PID_1000&REV_0100&MI_00
Manufacturer ID: 1
Product ID: 100
Type: WDM
Driver Name: cm11264.sys
Driver Version: 7.12.0008.2142 (English)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
WHQL Logo'd: Yes
Date and Size: 11/25/2009 10:52:48, 1308160 bytes
Other Files:
Driver Provider: C-Media Inc.

Can you perhaps switch the sound output to the " Realtek Digital Output(Optical) (Realtek High Definition Audio)" channel and see if that makes a difference?

 

[Prof. Wubba]

I just tried it a little while ago, unfortunately it had no effect.

 

[AndrewT]

Sorry, I should have made it clear: and disable the default output that uses the old driver, above.

This is all assuming it's the sound system that's the problem, of course ... Please post your Documents/CK2/settings.txt. From your Documents/Paradox/CK2/logs/ directory, post system.log . Open setup.log in notepad and search for 'checksum', post that line only here too please.

 

[Prof. Wubba]

Sorry, I should have made it clear: and disable the default output that uses the old driver, above.

This is all assuming it's the sound system that's the problem, of course ... Please post your Documents/CK2/settings.txt. From your Documents/Paradox/CK2/logs/ directory, post system.log . Open setup.log in notepad and search for 'checksum', post that line only here too please.

Yeah I disabled the outdated device and it had no effect.

Checksum didn't seem to be in the setup.log but the checksum I get at the main menu is "(BTOF)."

It wouldn't let me attach the system.log file here so I've copied the text to here.

[systemsettings.cpp:202]: System memory: 0MB
[systemsettings.cpp:209]: Number of processors: 8
[systemsettings.cpp:220]: CPU type: x86
[systemsettings.cpp:252]: OS: Unknown Service Pack 1 Build: 7601
[gfx_settings.cpp:22]: Loading settings for adapter 0, fullscreen=1, multisample=15
[gfx_settings.cpp:50]: Graphic Adapters:
[gfx_settings.cpp:55]: 0: AMD Radeon HD 6900 Series
[gfx_settings.cpp:69]: Using Adapter [0] to check for multi-sampling support:
[gfx_settings.cpp:80]: 2 samples supported.
[gfx_settings.cpp:80]: 4 samples supported.
[gfx_settings.cpp:80]: 8 samples supported.
[gfx_settings.cpp:95]: Using Adapter [0]:
[gfx_settings.cpp:101]: Succeeded to create a device [D3DCREATE_HARDWARE_VERTEXPROCESSING].
[gfx_settings.cpp:145]: Graphics device: AMD Radeon HD 6900 Series
[gfx_settings.cpp:146]: Graphics driver: aticfx32.dll
[gfx_settings.cpp:147]: Driver version: 1333
[gfx_settings.cpp:162]:


Dumping all gfx info:
DeviceIdentifier: {D7B71EE2-2458-11CF-0271-0C03BEC2C535}
VendorId: 4098
DeviceId: 26392
SubSysId: 587601799
Revision: 0
DriverVersion.HighPart: 524305
DriverVersion.LowPart: 656693


[gfx_settings.cpp:182]: Instancing supported.
[gfx_settings.cpp:197]: Video memory amount: 1776MB
[gfx_settings.cpp:198]: MaxSimultaneousTextures: 8
[gfx_settings.cpp:199]: MaxVertexBlendMatrices: 4
[gfx_settings.cpp:200]: MaxVertexBlendMatrixIndex: 8
[gfx_settings.cpp:201]: MaxSimultaneousTextures: 8
[gfx_settings.cpp:202]: MaxTextureBlendStages: 8
[gfx_settings.cpp:203]: Support for Anisotropic filtering found.
[gfx_settings.cpp:206]: Max Anisotropic filtering: 16
[gfx_settings.cpp:207]: Anisotropic filtering set to: 0
[gfx_settings.cpp:211]: Vertex Shader version: 3.0
[gfx_settings.cpp:216]: Pixel Shader version: 3.0
[gfx_settings.cpp:22]: Loading settings for adapter 0, fullscreen=0, multisample=15
[gfx_settings.cpp:50]: Graphic Adapters:
[gfx_settings.cpp:55]: 0: AMD Radeon HD 6900 Series
[gfx_settings.cpp:69]: Using Adapter [0] to check for multi-sampling support:
[gfx_settings.cpp:80]: 2 samples supported.
[gfx_settings.cpp:80]: 4 samples supported.
[gfx_settings.cpp:80]: 8 samples supported.
[gfx_settings.cpp:95]: Using Adapter [0]:
[gfx_settings.cpp:101]: Succeeded to create a device [D3DCREATE_HARDWARE_VERTEXPROCESSING].
[gfx_settings.cpp:145]: Graphics device: AMD Radeon HD 6900 Series
[gfx_settings.cpp:146]: Graphics driver: aticfx32.dll
[gfx_settings.cpp:147]: Driver version: 1333
[gfx_settings.cpp:162]:


Dumping all gfx info:
DeviceIdentifier: {D7B71EE2-2458-11CF-0271-0C03BEC2C535}
VendorId: 4098
DeviceId: 26392
SubSysId: 587601799
Revision: 0
DriverVersion.HighPart: 524305
DriverVersion.LowPart: 656693


[gfx_settings.cpp:182]: Instancing supported.
[gfx_settings.cpp:197]: Video memory amount: 1776MB
[gfx_settings.cpp:198]: MaxSimultaneousTextures: 8
[gfx_settings.cpp:199]: MaxVertexBlendMatrices: 4
[gfx_settings.cpp:200]: MaxVertexBlendMatrixIndex: 8
[gfx_settings.cpp:201]: MaxSimultaneousTextures: 8
[gfx_settings.cpp:202]: MaxTextureBlendStages: 8
[gfx_settings.cpp:203]: Support for Anisotropic filtering found.
[gfx_settings.cpp:206]: Max Anisotropic filtering: 16
[gfx_settings.cpp:207]: Anisotropic filtering set to: 0
[gfx_settings.cpp:211]: Vertex Shader version: 3.0
[gfx_settings.cpp:216]: Pixel Shader version: 3.0
[graphicssettings.cpp:444]: Not using multisampling.
[graphics.cpp:172]: Creating device with: HARDWARE_VERTEXPROCESSING
Fullscreen=no
Resolution=1000x600
[graphicssettings.cpp:409]: Usable res: 1024 768 60
[graphicssettings.cpp:409]: Usable res: 1024 768 75
[graphicssettings.cpp:409]: Usable res: 1152 864 60
[graphicssettings.cpp:409]: Usable res: 1152 864 75
[graphicssettings.cpp:409]: Usable res: 1280 720 60
[graphicssettings.cpp:409]: Usable res: 1280 720 59
[graphicssettings.cpp:409]: Usable res: 1280 720 75
[graphicssettings.cpp:409]: Usable res: 1280 768 60
[graphicssettings.cpp:409]: Usable res: 1280 768 75
[graphicssettings.cpp:409]: Usable res: 1280 800 60
[graphicssettings.cpp:409]: Usable res: 1280 800 75
[graphicssettings.cpp:409]: Usable res: 1280 960 60
[graphicssettings.cpp:409]: Usable res: 1280 960 75
[graphicssettings.cpp:409]: Usable res: 1280 1024 60
[graphicssettings.cpp:409]: Usable res: 1280 1024 75
[graphicssettings.cpp:409]: Usable res: 1360 768 60
[graphicssettings.cpp:409]: Usable res: 1360 1024 60
[graphicssettings.cpp:409]: Usable res: 1366 768 60
[graphicssettings.cpp:409]: Usable res: 1400 1050 60
[graphicssettings.cpp:409]: Usable res: 1440 900 60
[graphicssettings.cpp:409]: Usable res: 1600 900 60
[graphicssettings.cpp:409]: Usable res: 1680 1050 60
[graphicssettings.cpp:409]: Usable res: 1920 1080 60
[graphicssettings.cpp:409]: Usable res: 1920 1080 59
[graphics.cpp:213]: Done creating device.
[main.cpp:612]: CK2 Version Dec 16 2014 : 10:28:27
[main.cpp:613]: Commandline:
[internationalizedtext.cpp:1234]: Create table
[internationalizedtext.cpp:1236]: Create text database
[main.cpp:640]: Text database created
[main.cpp:658]: Creating application...
[main.cpp:691]: Initializing application...
[ck_application.cpp:380]: Initializing application...
[ck_application.cpp:387]: Done initializing application
[ck_application.cpp:392]: Loading cursor...
[ck_application.cpp:435]: Done loading cursor
[ck_application.cpp:438]: Initializing sound...
[ck_application.cpp:472]: Done initializing sound
[ck_application.cpp:474]: Initializing graphics...
[graphicssettings.cpp:444]: Not using multisampling.
[graphics.cpp:172]: Creating device with: HARDWARE_VERTEXPROCESSING
Fullscreen=yes
RefreshRate=60
Resolution=1920x1080
[graphicssettings.cpp:409]: Usable res: 1024 768 60
[graphicssettings.cpp:409]: Usable res: 1024 768 75
[graphicssettings.cpp:409]: Usable res: 1152 864 60
[graphicssettings.cpp:409]: Usable res: 1152 864 75
[graphicssettings.cpp:409]: Usable res: 1280 720 60
[graphicssettings.cpp:409]: Usable res: 1280 720 59
[graphicssettings.cpp:409]: Usable res: 1280 720 75
[graphicssettings.cpp:409]: Usable res: 1280 768 60
[graphicssettings.cpp:409]: Usable res: 1280 768 75
[graphicssettings.cpp:409]: Usable res: 1280 800 60
[graphicssettings.cpp:409]: Usable res: 1280 800 75
[graphicssettings.cpp:409]: Usable res: 1280 960 60
[graphicssettings.cpp:409]: Usable res: 1280 960 75
[graphicssettings.cpp:409]: Usable res: 1280 1024 60
[graphicssettings.cpp:409]: Usable res: 1280 1024 75
[graphicssettings.cpp:409]: Usable res: 1360 768 60
[graphicssettings.cpp:409]: Usable res: 1360 1024 60
[graphicssettings.cpp:409]: Usable res: 1366 768 60
[graphicssettings.cpp:409]: Usable res: 1400 1050 60
[graphicssettings.cpp:409]: Usable res: 1440 900 60
[graphicssettings.cpp:409]: Usable res: 1600 900 60
[graphicssettings.cpp:409]: Usable res: 1680 1050 60
[graphicssettings.cpp:409]: Usable res: 1920 1080 60
[graphicssettings.cpp:409]: Usable res: 1920 1080 59
[graphics.cpp:213]: Done creating device.
[ck_application.cpp:513]: Done initializing graphics
[main.cpp:694]: Running application...
[graphics.cpp:1950]: Used video memory before alt tab:
[graphics.cpp:1983]: Used video memory after alt tab:

 

[AndrewT]

Again, no visible problem there.

Can you describe the problem in more detail please? Does this stuttering happen when you scroll around the paused map, or when time is passing? Does it matter if you are in fullScreen, Windowed, or borderless mode?

And, here's a bit of a stab in the dark - I see you have a bunch of USB devices attached including a hub. For the sake of experiment can you unplug them all, except those you need to run a test game like keyboard and mouse?

 

[Prof. Wubba]

Again, no visible problem there.

Can you describe the problem in more detail please? Does this stuttering happen when you scroll around the paused map, or when time is passing? Does it matter if you are in fullScreen, Windowed, or borderless mode?

And, here's a bit of a stab in the dark - I see you have a bunch of USB devices attached including a hub. For the sake of experiment can you unplug them all, except those you need to run a test game like keyboard and mouse?

Stuttering will happen when I scroll around the map it's there regardless of speed but the higher speeds make the issue worse. Unplugging things had no effect.

 

[Had a dad]

if you are paused, does it stutter?

Also did you ever change your pagefile so your min / max is 8GB? You have plenty of system ram so you shouldn't need windows to keep such a large pagefile, plus widows tends to resize it, that can cause issues for us gamers