French missions. Provence, Brittany, French Strong Duchies and Italy

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Aussiehawker

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I've played two games as France, and I feel the current mission chain does not really well represent Frances expansion.

The issues

The player dissolves the alliance with Provence basically day one, because there is no way to obtain their lands otherwise reliably. And letting Burgundy eat them adds extra free cores/lands to inherit

Britanny and Provence basically just have to be attacked and conquered

The Italian tree is locked behind taking Burgundy. Even though the claims that France inherited, came from Charles IV of Anjou, the Duke of Anjou and Count of Provence

French strong duchies is an extremely powerful estate mechanic, with very little incentive to actually get rid of. Three diplo slots are way more important than some government reform progress and the elimination of a temporary Diplo rep penalty.

So what I propose is this.

Change the missions so that getting rid of the estate privilege French Strong Duchies unlocks two missions, and fires a event.

One. The Provence Will.

The Event, fired from completing French Strong Duchies, is The Will of 'Insert Ruler', with flavour text talking about Charles IV of Anjou. Completing these missions means France gains cores on Provence and inherits it. Except for Lorraine and Bar, which get released as independent states, into the HRE. France, of course, gets claims on them later. Provence can refuse this event, but doing so means that France gets a core on their lands and a major opinion malus.

The rewards for owning Provence unlock the Italian tree. Not starting with Savoy, but Naples, since that was where the Anjou claims were for. Savoy can instead remain behind Burgundy on a separate tree, or be further down the Italian tree.

The other thing is Brittany. I think France should instead get a Force CB PU on Britanny since that was what effectively happened. France invaded to stop Brittany marrying Austria, and instead forced marriage between them.

Finally, since France can now own Burgundy as a PU. The missions for owning those territories should allow for being held by vassals, not just France directly.
 
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I agree but there is Something you forget :
Claims on Naples came from Anjou it's true, but claims on Milan (the prey that Francis I fought for at Marignano, la Biccoca and Pavia) originated with the links between the orléans and Visconti families. That,s why it was pressed by Louis XII, duke of Orleans before becoming King of France.
 
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