French elects right = dictatorship

[unmerged(103313)]

Is there any time this doesn't outright result in an early war? o Is Luxembourg really *that* big of a deal to the frogs?

EDIT: Ok, so not all Frenchmen like cheese.

 

[blue emu]

Luxembourg isn't worth taking before Vichy anyway. The five to seven ICs that it will net you are counterbalanced by the need to garrison it, and by the exposure of your southern flank to the Maginot-Line forces when you drive on Paris. I don't attack either Luxembourg or Holland until after Vichy.

PawnQ, I suggest that you delete your post.

 

[unmerged(103313)]

I only had like 5 belligerence by that time though, largely from telling Franco to go on his own. 5 belligerence could easily be caused by intelligence missions! A right election shouldn't give them a dictatorship...

 

[blue emu]

I only had like 5 belligerence by that time though, largely from telling Franco to go on his own. 5 belligerence could easily be caused by intelligence missions! A right election shouldn't give them a dictatorship...

If you attacked Luxembourg, then it wouldn't matter if your Belligerence was zero and France was a Democracy. France has a GoI (Guarantee of Independance) on Luxembourgh. They get a FREE DoW on anyone who screws with them.

 

[Tuna-Fish]

If you attacked Luxembourg, then it wouldn't matter if your Belligerence was zero and France was a Democracy. France has a GoI (Guarantee of Independance) on Luxembourgh. They get a FREE DoW on anyone who screws with them.

Ummm, no. all a guarantee does for a democratic isolationist nation is it shifts the slider one step toward interventionism.

Luxembourg isn't worth taking before Vichy anyway. The five to seven ICs that it will net you are counterbalanced by the need to garrison it, and by the exposure of your southern flank to the Maginot-Line forces when you drive on Paris. I don't attack either Luxembourg or Holland until after Vichy.

no, no, no. Lux should be annexed before 1.2.36. the 5000+ icedays you get from it are totally worth it.

 

[son of liberty]

Ummm, no. all a guarantee does for a democratic isolationist nation is it shifts the slider one step toward interventionism.

I thought it was 2 points shifted?

no, no, no. Lux should be annexed before 1.2.36. the 5000+ icedays you get from it are totally worth it.

Rule #1, Trust the Emu.

 

[blue emu]

Ummm, no.

Well, I stand corrected.

... all a guarantee does for a democratic isolationist nation is it shifts the slider one step toward interventionism.

Two steps.

... no, no, no. Lux should be annexed before 1.2.36. the 5000+ icedays you get from it are totally worth it.

How much of that is profit?

Subtract the IC-days required to reduce your Dissent back to zero. Subtract the IC-days for the units required to guard your newly-exposed southern flank while you are driving on Paris. Subtract the IC-days that France receives due to reduced CG demand from the two-point Interventionism shift.

 

[PanzerMan7]

emued

 

[unmerged(103313)]

Rule #1, Trust the Emu.

Well, I stand corrected.

I never thought I would see this. :rofl:

Subtract the IC-days required to reduce your Dissent back to zero. Subtract the IC-days for the units required to guard your newly-exposed southern flank while you are driving on Paris. Subtract the IC-days that France receives due to reduced CG demand from the two-point Interventionism shift.

I dunno about that third part. France could have twice as much IC and still get mauled by Germany, due to technology and generals and doctrine and everything. That early IC is much nicer for Germany than for France. 1 more spot to garrison isn't a problem for a few extra militia anyway.

But the annoying thing is, I could have been a saint and could still get DOWed by French dictators, if it was the 5 belligerence that fired them up; the belligerence from global opinion missions could stack up at a bad time. Or is that particular province designed to spark a war?

Is having *any* non-national province (which Luxembourg isn't heh) something that wakes up the AI? Should I have spent money on public relations with France? Surely relations have some weight.

But if someone elected right in multiplayer for an early German war, I would accuse them of gaminess, because it doesn't give Germany all its cores. It's the same realm of Hiberno-Teuton adventures to set up Sealion.

 

[unmerged(103313)]

Ok, in one of my most bizarre games yet, I attempted the gamey uber-anschluss by making Austria eat up Hungary, its rightful land. I forgot to leave the alliance. France elects right and declares war in late '38, when I had 0 belligerence.

They can start the war early when you have a literally perfect reputation. :wacko:

 

[ztanz]

Ummm, no. all a guarantee does for a democratic isolationist nation is it shifts the slider one step toward interventionism

If I recall correctly (except the 2 slider moves) the "free" dow is a correct statement too, since last time I tried it you get no dissent from doing it, so, you can't DoW if you don't have the right slidermoves, but if you can then it costs you no Dissent.

 

[thevaliant]

France do get a FREE DOW as Blue Emu says... but whether they take that DOW is only something the AI can decide.

The shift is two points however (though it was one in early versions of Hearts of Iron 2).

 

[son of liberty]

I was making a run at a UK game today. France dow'd in 37 despite still being social conservative, and Germany had zero belligerence. WTF?

 

[Neoptolemus]

Did you have democracies can declare war on? About the only thing I can think of.

Also, belligerence goes down after a dow (for the 'victim') so that may be a factor, but I would think 1937 SC France would need quite a bit of belligerence.