Why are Karelia and Sami western tech and Poland and Hungary Eastern?
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Why are Karelia and Sami western tech and Poland and Hungary Eastern?
I'm wondering if Cypriot could be in the same Byzantine culture group as Greek and Gothic, especially since many Cypriots identify as having Greek heritage or are Greek themselves
I really think that all 3 of the crusading orders should be in the Eastern tech group.
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Why eastern and not western? they are all originating from western countries and are led by westerners so surely they would be more similar to western governments?
But by the time of EU4 they've long since settled in their eastern locations.
Yes but weren't their recruits still from western countries, and didn't the Livonian and Teutonic orders still consider themselves totally German
Connection with the Western World should decide if they are Western or Eastern Tech. If they cut the connection with Europe, they could only learn from their eastern neighbors.
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There was probably some design choice, being eastern probably means they arent too easily aggressive in their local regions. It will be interesting to see the cultures of the crusader states after the next patch, I wonder how they will split it with the new italian cultures.
Its accurate, the Byzantine empire was pretty much entirely carved up by the 4th crusade, although a lot of the areas being split up between a lot of minor lords and barons without the real capacity to hold onto them for the long term which is why the Byzantine regrew slightly from the portion known as The Latin Empire. Some of the Crusader families were killed/died out others just integrated into the local society eventually pledging alligence back to rulers in Constantinople. Few of them survived as full states to anywhere near the time of conquest by the Ottomans later on.
Heck the Livonian order is Prussian with no Prussian provinces. Also I'd guess Naxos, Corfu, Achea, and Athens will be Venetian culture. The reason they are Eastern Tech rather than Western tech is probably because they didn't last too long past 1444 compared to TO, LO, and the Knights. Personally I'd throw in a Greek tech group with +10% tech cost and their own units because Trebizond having Cossacks is just silly.
As far as I remember, Naxos was ruled by a family originally form Venice, but not really as a part of the Venetian state (Vassal status makes a lot of sense in this case), Athens and Achea weren't Venetian, they were given to other crusaders. Venice didn't take much land after the 4th crusade, they took a network of towns with good harbours in them over large stretches of landed property, most of their land came from purchasing it from failing new crusader states afterwards. Corfu was administered by Venetians and really should be part of Venice in 1444 and onwards, but a tag is a tag.
They added Pontic to the Byzantine culture group, so why shouldn't a Cypriot culture not?
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What would the revolter tag be called, given that "Cyprus" is taken?
Fairly different, they were much more of a melting pot than mainland and the islander greeks, enough to notice a significant differences but not enough to make a huge deal of trouble.
I think Knights should be French at the start date as well, instead of Maltese. Maltese doesn't make sense at the start date since they're not based off of Malta yet.
They had a lot of French leadership, and consistently served with the French Navy.
Doesn't really change much though, I think most people culture shift at the start to Greek.
They had a lot of French leadership, and consistently served with the French Navy.
Doesn't really change much though, I think most people culture shift at the start to Greek.
Not only ruling dynasty, the whole ruling class was French, and that is mostly the thing primary culture seems to represent in eu4.
I always felt that making them Maltese was more a gameplay choice, it causes them to reappear in Malta if they lose Rhodes or have Malta rebel to them if Aragon forms. Without that they would never get Malta and would most likely die and then never reappear.
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When I bought this game I really didn't expect to learn so much about 15th century Eurasia. But here I am discovering Cyprus was French for a substantial period of time. This is as interesting as discovering the origin of the emblem on the modern Spanish flag!
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