French Cyprus

[volseraph]

Perhaps you are right and it was langue d´Oc and not langue d´Oil

Nah, it was Langue d'Oil (or Norman/Anglo-Norman French, which I gather was a "coarser" variant). Richard I was raised in Aquitaine by his mother (Eleanor) and ruled there for some time before his accession as king, hence his Occitan leanings. (As far as I know, he's the only English king with a deep personal connection in southern France, despite England hanging on in Gascony for a couple centuries more.)

[Edit: Oops, realized Isador already covered this. Sorry for the redundancy!]

 

[grommile]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Norman_language
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_French

Two other articles of interest, which put those into perspective:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleading_in_English_Act_1362
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_English#Historical_development
So I'm quite happy to say that the primary culture of England was probably in 1399, and certainly in 1444 (Henry V had been really rather enthusiastic about the whole 'English is the language of England' business), English.

 

[Sunspawn]

My Grandma spoke latin, so she was roman, so I'm quarter roman

I am an ethnic russian living in Israel who speaks English - does that make me English?

 

[nmcj1996]

Slightly off-topic, but if Cyprus was so french, does it make sense to have them as Western Tech like the knights instead of Eastern, since they were a western ruling class

Same with Athens, but that might be slightly less french. However I don't know much about that period of history in the middle east so I sure others would be far more qualified to decide

 

[Sunspawn]

Slightly off-topic, but if Cyprus was so french, does it make sense to have them as Western Tech like the knights instead of Eastern, since they were a western ruling class

Same with Athens, but that might be slightly less french. However I don't know much about that period of history in the middle east so I sure others would be far more qualified to decide

Why? Also, the post-4th Crusade principalities are Lombard, not french.

 

[nmcj1996]

Why? Also, the post-4th Crusade principalities are Lombard, not french.

Just because they were more culturally and technologically western like the knights, yet they are presented in game as as if they were culturally Eastern unlike the knights who are in the exact same position geographically for the same historical reasons

And yeh my bad for Athens but still the point about them being more similar to Western tech still stands

 

[IsadorBG]

Why? Also, the post-4th Crusade principalities are Lombard, not french.

Athens was at first ruled by a french dynasty and nobility. (De La Roche and later De Brienne). And the Latin emperors were French too.

So that's not exacty true.

 

[Woifee]

I am an ethnic russian living in Israel who speaks English - does that make me English?

Rujenglish I would say.

 

[IsadorBG]

Rujenglish I would say.

Cosmopolitaine seems appropriate.

 

[Sunspawn]

Athens was at first ruled by a french dynasty and nobility. (De La Roche and later De Brienne). And the Latin emperors were French too.

So that's not exacty true.

Only Athens, and even that was taken over by Lombards after Aragon's influence over it crumbled in the last third of the 14th century.

 

[IsadorBG]

Only Athens, and even that was taken over by Lombards after Aragon's influence over it crumbled in the last third of the 14th century.

Athens and Constantinople.

They weren't really dozens of crusaders principalities either.

 

[Sunspawn]

Athens and Constantinople.

They weren't really dozens of crusaders principalities either.

There were several post-4th Crusade principalities in the region - Athens (and later Neopatras) and Achaia, both initially Frankish, but later conquered by Italians, Naxos/Archipelago which was founded by a nephew of that blind Venetian and was Venetian from the get-go, and some short-lived ones like Thessalonica (before it got conquered, it was ruled by a regency council of Lombard nobles). Mind, this is all taken from Wikipedia.

Not dozens, but all suffered the same fate of Lombardisation - I'd say it is due to the fact that France was too far for French nobles to care about the region and Venice and Genoa had vested interest in the region.

 

[IsadorBG]

There were several post-4th Crusade principalities in the region - Athens (and later Neopatras) and Achaia, both initially Frankish, but later conquered by Italians, Naxos/Archipelago which was founded by a nephew of that blind Venetian and was Venetian from the get-go, and some short-lived ones like Thessalonica (before it got conquered, it was ruled by a regency council of Lombard nobles). Mind, this is all taken from Wikipedia.

Not dozens, but all suffered the same fate of Lombardisation - I'd say it is due to the fact that France was too far for French nobles to care about the region and Venice and Genoa had vested interest in the region.

I do not deny that the Latin empire was dominated by Italians (Lombards weren't the only one tough especially if you counts Venice and Genoa) I simply disagree that they were no French/Frankish Latin State.

 

[Sunspawn]

I do not deny that the Latin empire was dominated by Italians (Lombards weren't the only one tough especially if you counts Venice and Genoa) I simply disagree that they were no French/Frankish Latin State.

I was mostly talking about their 1444 incarnations and dropped the irrelevant info.

 

[Ratanka]

You can form France as Cyprus.

(Should be an achievement!)

oh dam best archievment idea for a long time !!!

 

[IsadorBG]

I was mostly talking about their 1444 incarnations and dropped the irrelevant info.

Oh my bad then.

 

[PiriReis]

What about a Cypriot culture for the province though instead of Greek?

 

[grommile]

What about a Cypriot culture for the province though instead of Greek?

What do you call the new culture's revolter tag?

 

[IggyMidomi]

EUIV has taught me a lot of things without being obvious about it, but I guess there's still bits of info I still have yet to learn about. Evidently, the last de Lusignan heir, a three year-old, died, ending the dynasty and opened the way for Turkish involvement

 

[AlphaSonic]

Why are the Knights Western and Athens/Corfu/Naxos/Cyprus Eastern?