French Cyprus

[Subbak]

You can form France as Cyprus.

(Should be an achievement!)

Even better: Form Jerusalem, THEN form France. Then become emperor and form the HRE, just for kicks.

 

[Dakilla TM]

Why?

When was this a thing??

Places like Google and Wikipedia are great places to check before thinking it's not historical

 

[YssupG0D]

Places like Google and Wikipedia are great places to check before thinking it's not historical

im so glad you decided to say what has already been said 3 or 4 times in this thread. I like it even more that u felt the need to quote the OP.

are u seriously this didlydoo

 

[volseraph]

So i take it the Lusignans ate canard and bourgogne wine in Cyprus? Otheriwse, they cant be cosmopolitaine.

Most likely they did. Cyprus was a major waystation for Mediterranean trade; the Lusignans were quite rich and would've had little trouble importing from France. (Given the Frankish/French opinion of Greek culture and the Lusignan's regular import of spouses from Western Europe, assimilation probably wasn't their priority.)

 

[Yankee1863]

Pretty sure t'was langue d'Oc. Might be wrong, but in the case of Richard I, I do remember Lionheart being quite versed in Occitan poetry, 'specially the patois of Limousin.
Now, can't really say for the others following him, but it wouldn't surprise me they were more Oil/Occitan cultured than English, as the Guyenne area was probably, with Normandy until they lost it, the richest region they had.

The culture represents the ruling class, not the monarch. The majority of the nobility in England had ancestors coming from Normandy, the rest of Northern France (Maine and Ile de France especially) and Brittany so would have made England Normand, Francien or Breton. Look at England being English and not Scottish in 1603/04, despite James I being Scottish.

 

[ringhloth]

Culture is more complex than the monarch, or the ruling class, or the majority population of a province. Trying to shoe-horn it into these things results in weird results. It's best thought of a construction of the game that exists for a vast number of reasons and leaving it at that.

 

[Ziaolin]

The culture represents the ruling class, not the monarch. The majority of the nobility in England had ancestors coming from Normandy, the rest of Northern France (Maine and Ile de France especially) and Brittany so would have made England Normand, Francien or Breton. Look at England being English and not Scottish in 1603/04, despite James I being Scottish.

Oh no doubt, but in this case I was mostly talking 'bout the rulers, not from a technical/mechanic wise point of view but from an historical one.

 

[Grubnessul]

So is primary culture ruling elite now, or population? Was the majority population french (I really don't know)?

Stop listening to the peasant rabble!

 

[No idea]

Pretty sure t'was langue d'Oc. Might be wrong, but in the case of Richard I, I do remember Lionheart being quite versed in Occitan poetry, 'specially the patois of Limousin.
Now, can't really say for the others following him, but it wouldn't surprise me they were more Oil/Occitan cultured than English, as the Guyenne area was probably, with Normandy until they lost it, the richest region they had.

Perhaps you are right and it was langue d´Oc and not langue d´Oil

 

[Fluffy_Fishy]

Athens is lombard too and I think there is another crusader state with a seemingly odd culture but i cant think who or where, other than the knights of course

 

[Sunspawn]

Athens is lombard too and I think there is another crusader state with a seemingly odd culture but i cant think who or where, other than the knights of course

Naxos and Corfu are Lombard too.

 

[IsadorBG]

Pretty sure t'was langue d'Oc. Might be wrong, but in the case of Richard I, I do remember Lionheart being quite versed in Occitan poetry, 'specially the patois of Limousin.
Now, can't really say for the others following him, but it wouldn't surprise me they were more Oil/Occitan cultured than English, as the Guyenne area was probably, with Normandy until they lost it, the richest region they had.

Richard was an exception. His Father (Henry II) and brother (John I) spoke French as their first language.

Richard spoke both Occitan and French fluently anyway.

The English nobility descended from Northern French conqueror mostly spoke a form of "melting pot" Oil dialect known as Anglo-Normand .
However in 1444 Standard French had long since replaced this Oil variant both in the administratrion and as the nobility's main language.


For more information:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Norman_language
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_French

 

[Sunspawn]

Richard was an exception. His Father (Henry II) and brother (John I) spoke French as their first language.

Richard spoke both Occitan and French fluently anyway.

The English nobility descended from Northern French conqueror mostly spoke a form of "melting pot" Oil dialect known as Anglo-Normand .
However in 1444 Standard French had long since replaced this Oil variant both in the administratrion and as the nobility's main language.


For more information:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Norman_language
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_French

Still doesn't mean London should be french - the burghers likely spoke English and not French most of the time.

 

[CheesySnake]

This is one of things I really like about this game. Even after about 200 hours playtime I still find stuff that I never noticed before, and more often than not that thing relates to some kind of little historical fact I never knew before.

 

[IsadorBG]

Still doesn't mean London should be french - the burghers likely spoke English and not French most of the time.

Not London no.

But one could argue that England should start with Cosmopolitaine (now Francien) or Norman as primary culture.

 

[Tacticus101]

The English nobility descended from Northern French conqueror mostly spoke a form of "melting pot" Oil dialect known as Anglo-Normand .
However in 1444 Standard French had long since replaced this Oil variant both in the administratrion and as the nobility's main language.

By 1444 English has replaced French as the language of the nobility, the King and the Courts. A century earlier it might be justified it having the primary culture as Norman, but by the game start it would be inaccurate.

edit: Also, there was no real "standard" French at that point

 

[Nucky]

Not London no.

But one could argue that England should start with Cosmopolitaine (now Francien) or Norman as primary culture.

Not since Edward III at least (so before game start).

 

[Ziaolin]

Richard was an exception. His Father (Henry II) and brother (John I) spoke French as their first language.

Richard spoke both Occitan and French fluently anyway.

The English nobility descended from Northern French conqueror mostly spoke a form of "melting pot" Oil dialect known as Anglo-Normand .
However in 1444 Standard French had long since replaced this Oil variant both in the administratrion and as the nobility's main language.


For more information:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Norman_language
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_French

Thanks for the info Isador!

 

[Florryworry]

well, anyhoo cyprus should have a claim/core on poitiers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Lusignan#In_France . Yolande sold poitiers in 1308 game starts in 1444, so cyprus should have a core there for 4 years

Edit: nevermind selling provinces removes cores

 

[Woifee]

Please... Sarcasm... You know what is this?

In another way - You can speak in English, but do not have English culture. You can speak russian, but do not have Russian culture. You can speak spanish, but do not be a Spaniard. You can speak in latin, but do not have a Roman culture. Etc. etc. etc.

My Grandma spoke latin, so she was roman, so I'm quarter roman