Freeing relatives from Concubinage?

[Rakonas]

So in my most recent game, my character and his daughters were captured by a viking raid, and my character was sacrificed at a blot. My second eldest daughter inherited and was freed (which I don't understand, but it matters little) and I managed to ransom all of my younger sisters afterwards. Unfortunately, I was never able to do anything to save my older sister. I could not go to war in any way I understood because they were far away. I'm not sure if I was unable to do this because they were a vassal, but there really should be some way to free relatives made concubines against their will.

 

[Colpo]

What's to stop their captors from just killing them as soon as they hear your marching?

It's the same reason you can't declare war on someone if you have a sibling/child/parent/cousin in their court; hostages were the only guarantee against attack/betrayal.

 

[Ecnahc]

When this happened to me, I just spent all my money assassinating the guy who took my daughter as a concubine. After he died, I just invited her back to court.

 

[al3xytp]

Having a plot to free someone from concubinage would be cool.

 

[Dead William]

I'd like to ransom concubines back. On that note, I'd like to ransome other people's daughters back to them.

 

[Velorian]

What's to stop their captors from just killing them as soon as they hear your marching?

It's the same reason you can't declare war on someone if you have a sibling/child/parent/cousin in their court; hostages were the only guarantee against attack/betrayal.

Fear? I'd be fine with him having that option as long as I got to declare war over the issue. If the relative is already dead on arrival it is time for vengeance. At least it should be possible to demand indemnities in gold, possibly demand the execution of the person who did it.

Ir doesn't have to be all that beneficial I just want to be able to respond to the insult.

 

[Marginal0]

Killing the husband would be a start.

I'd like the addition. As pointless a reason as any, but aren't all casus belli?

 

[zijistark]

For this particular problem, assuming your sister hasn't had Stockholm's syndrome set-in yet, the solution is, of course, to just assassinate / plot to kill the bastard and invite her back home. In general, though, I've [vaguely] toyed with the idea of a Vengeance CB(s), perhaps of a few different flavors. They wouldn't be over any land, but they'd certainly at least allow you to make a fool of the jerk and take money from him. Still, that's not a very pious way to spend the lives of your vassals' serfs... Nor is war all that profitable.

But I understand the notion: Damnit, seems like you should be able to respond to that insult against you, your dynasty, and... uh, your court.

 

[Ecnahc]

Perhaps an event to rescue them?

 

[zijistark]

Perhaps an event to rescue them?

Yeah, if this actually is a common enough occurrence and player desire, maybe an event chain could be coded specifically for it.

Thinking "Rescue" event chain that has a few different flavors, incl. one for trying to prison-break a dynasty member or spouse.

Only thing is that actual imprisonment is relatively easy to fix via existing diplomacy. Concubinage is a special, special case.

 

[Colpo]

Yeah, if this actually is a common enough occurrence and player desire, maybe an event chain could be coded specifically for it.

Thinking "Rescue" event chain that has a few different flavors, incl. one for trying to prison-break a dynasty member or spouse.

Only thing is that actual imprisonment is relatively easy to fix via existing diplomacy. Concubinage is a special, special case.

This is what I'd like to see. We've already got vanilla events for prisoners escaping, so I'd like to see a plot that fires a rescue event. "Plot to Free Prisoner" option would solve all I suspect.

 

[AnaxXiphos]

In 1072, a crack commando unit was sent to prison by a military court for a crime they didn't commit. These men promptly escaped from a maximum-security stockade to the Venetian underground. Today, still wanted by the government, they survive as soldiers of fortune. If you have a problem... if no one else can help... and if you can find them... maybe you can hire... The A-Team.

 

[Colpo]

In 1072, a crack commando unit was sent to prison by a military court for a crime they didn't commit. These men promptly escaped from a maximum-security stockade to the Venetian underground. Today, still wanted by the government, they survive as soldiers of fortune. If you have a problem... if no one else can help... and if you can find them... maybe you can hire... The A-Team.

Gruffydd ap Llywelyn Fawr falling out of the Tower of London and going splat.