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Free market or Central Planning?


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DarkSoul1984 said:
BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH

Is this man trying to argue with blue emu? I didn't read the post, all I saw was a blue emu quote and him saying "yeah, but..."

If so, this is absolutely preposterous. If not, you still lose. Even if you don't argue.

The first rule of the Hearts of Iron 2 forum is NEVER disagree with blue emu. He is second only to Christ.
 

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Tribulation said:
... He is second only to Christ.
One important difference being that Christ only got crucified once.
 

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Tribulation said:
Is this man trying to argue with blue emu? I didn't read the post.

The sad state of the educational system....

Should always read things.

Wasn't arguing, even though I will if I think he's wrong, which I have felt from time to time.
 

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you have to take into account also that you can use the extra IC from CP to produce surplus of supplies, consumer goods etc.
 

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swippy said:
you have to take into account also that you can use the extra IC from CP to produce surplus of supplies, consumer goods etc.
A real IC-whore does not produce supplies, he imports them ;)
 

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Truly it depends more upon the country and the OVERALL situation than merely a breakdown of slider benefits.

The USA can afford to be free market and global. It's got the IC base already.

The UK and France have a hard time keeping pace with Germany and have to bide their time.

Germany has to play it right and not over-expand too quickly.

The USSR has to watch ALL of its massive borders or even its hordes of infantry will be negated.

Japan needs the extra CP IC to keep it's armies supplied and fleet up and running.

Italy can't max and stay it's ideology, so just easier to go CP for the extra IC.

When you're playing a minor, it also applies to the situation. Canada and Australia, yeah, keep yourself localized in conflicts and you can benefit from FM. Romania and Hungary are going to see conflicts in Russia (ideally) so the extra TC would be so welcome for re-enforcing your units and such.

I'll end by saying I've never lost a game, single-player or multi-player, because of where my sliders were set versus my opponents. If it happened, I would immediately begin special education style tutorials because I have obviously poked a crayon so far up my nose it has become lodged in my brain.
 

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Can some veteran of these boards point to me where I can find a slider breakdown? i.e. I'd like to see the sliders effect degree by degree, re. the Freemarket - Central Planning slider is divided in 10 parts, each of them having different effect. I'd love to see each degree for each slider... Than I could make more informed choices. Could't find it in the FAQ. Thanks!

Otherwise yeah, no absolute answer here... if you're planning lots of diplomacy, FM is for you since you'll need the extra $$$, but if you're just thinking of steamrolling whatever stands in front of you, go CP!
 

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In the long run CP should beat FM since it increase the ability to build more supplied forces, and to reinforce them.
 

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Mr. G said:
In the long run CP should beat FM since it increase the ability to build more supplied forces, and to reinforce them.

But Free market uses lesser resources because of the bonuses.
Anyway CP!, CP! long live to CP! :D
 

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VonIberville said:
Can some veteran of these boards point to me where I can find a slider breakdown? i.e. I'd like to see the sliders effect degree by degree, re. the Freemarket - Central Planning slider is divided in 10 parts, each of them having different effect. I'd love to see each degree for each slider... Than I could make more informed choices. Could't find it in the FAQ. Thanks!

Otherwise yeah, no absolute answer here... if you're planning lots of diplomacy, FM is for you since you'll need the extra $$$, but if you're just thinking of steamrolling whatever stands in front of you, go CP!
www.paradoxian.org the HOI2 wiki
 

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VonIberville said:
Can some veteran of these boards point to me where I can find a slider breakdown? i.e. I'd like to see the sliders effect degree by degree, re. the Freemarket - Central Planning slider is divided in 10 parts, each of them having different effect. I'd love to see each degree for each slider... Than I could make more informed choices. Could't find it in the FAQ. Thanks!

http://www.paradoxian.org/hoi2wiki/index.php/Domestic_Policy_FAQ#Free_Market_-_Central_Planning
 

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Van der Gent said:
Free market in game, central planning in the real world. ;)
The Dutch would DOW the rest of the world before they agreed to abandon Capitalism. :p Of course in game they are the most infuriatingly tight-assed country to trade with. :rofl:

And BiB rules. :cool: