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I know that during the Union with Austria and the Sudetenland incident that Germany gets a number of free techs. Its been a while since I've played and can't remember which ones they are. As Germany is it worth researching any doctrines at all before both these events have fired, is it just land techs you recieve or sea and air ones too? And don't you need to get some doctrines early to allow the research of normal techs to go ahead?
 

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john heidle said:
From a posting by mr_sQuinty found by using search terms
Sudetenland doctrines force:

"From the "Spanish Civil War - Intervention" event you get

Early War Experience Analysis (land)
Manoeuvre Artillery Doctrine
Combined Arms Warfare Doctrine
Deep Area Defense Doctrine
Sheltered Airfields Organization

and from the "The Treaty of Munich" event you get

Early War Combat Testing (land)
Early War Experience Analysis (air)
Carpet Bombing Doctrine
Vertical Envelopment Doctrine
Combat Training Team Doctrine
Force Concentration Doctrine
Divisional Offensive Organization
Corps Long-Range Reconnaissance Doctrine
Signal Intelligence Operations
Late War Experience Analysis (land)

if you go with "Demand Sudetenland!" , else you will get

Divisional Defensive Organization instead of
Divisional Offensive Organization

and you wont get

Force Concentration Doctrine

but since that tech is missplaced in the event you wont get it at all if you don't edit the event and move 11406 below its pre. 11400
"

That's two land and one air doctrine theory levels plus 7 doctrines if you wait for the Sudetenland events to fire on 30 Sep 1938. They do not fire if you are at war. That's why most Germany players wait for Sudetenland before declaring war and risk losing all those events.

You need to modify the db/events/Germany file and find the Sudetenland events to get the doctrines in the correct sequence. When modified it should read something like this:

command = { type = gain_tech which = 11300 }
command = { type = gain_tech which = 11302 }
command = { type = gain_tech which = 11303 }
command = { type = gain_tech which = 11304 }
command = { type = gain_tech which = 11400 }
command = { type = gain_tech which = 11406 }
command = { type = gain_tech which = 12200 }
command = { type = gain_tech which = 12201 }
command = { type = gain_tech which = 12202 }
command = { type = gain_tech which = 12204 }

11400 has to come before 11406 (Force Concentration) in order for Force Concentration to be effective.

Here ya go
 

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mostly_harmless said:
I know that during the Union with Austria and the Sudetenland incident that Germany gets a number of free techs. Its been a while since I've played and can't remember which ones they are. As Germany is it worth researching any doctrines at all before both these events have fired, is it just land techs you recieve or sea and air ones too? And don't you need to get some doctrines early to allow the research of normal techs to go ahead?

Germany gets some doctrines from the Spanish Civil War intervention and from the Sudetenland crisis. They get land and air but not naval. These doctrines were generally given at the start to Germany in earlier versions but were later restricted to the two events in order to make early Germany warmongering more unlikely. If you are at war, for example, the Sudetenland doctrines do not fire.

As Germany there is generally no need to research doctrines until these events fire unless you want to build a large U boat or surface navy. For example, the Wolfpack doctrine is a pre req for the electric U boat.

From a posting by mr_sQuinty found by using search terms
Sudetenland doctrines force:

"From the "Spanish Civil War - Intervention" event you get

Early War Experience Analysis (land)
Manoeuvre Artillery Doctrine
Combined Arms Warfare Doctrine
Deep Area Defense Doctrine
Sheltered Airfields Organization

and from the "The Treaty of Munich" event you get

Early War Combat Testing (land)
Early War Experience Analysis (air)
Carpet Bombing Doctrine
Vertical Envelopment Doctrine
Combat Training Team Doctrine
Force Concentration Doctrine
Divisional Offensive Organization
Corps Long-Range Reconnaissance Doctrine
Signal Intelligence Operations
Late War Experience Analysis (land)

if you go with "Demand Sudetenland!" , else you will get

Divisional Defensive Organization instead of
Divisional Offensive Organization

and you wont get

Force Concentration Doctrine

but since that tech is missplaced in the event you wont get it at all if you don't edit the event and move 11406 below its pre. 11400
"

That's two land and one air doctrine theory levels plus 7 doctrines if you wait for the Sudetenland events to fire on 30 Sep 1938. They do not fire if you are at war. That's why most Germany players wait for Sudetenland before declaring war and risk losing all those events.

You need to modify the db/events/Germany file and find the Sudetenland events to get the doctrines in the correct sequence. When modified it should read something like this:

command = { type = gain_tech which = 11300 }
command = { type = gain_tech which = 11302 }
command = { type = gain_tech which = 11303 }
command = { type = gain_tech which = 11304 }
command = { type = gain_tech which = 11400 }
command = { type = gain_tech which = 11406 }
command = { type = gain_tech which = 12200 }
command = { type = gain_tech which = 12201 }
command = { type = gain_tech which = 12202 }
command = { type = gain_tech which = 12204 }

11400 has to come before 11406 (Force Concentration) in order for Force Concentration to be effective.