france just conquered 3 iberian duchies before 1070 :/ wad?..other then that this game seems to be flawless, Paradox seems to be going in a new direction with this game, and it's turning out great.
france too aggresive.
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hmm in my game they're not that aggressive at all. The HRE on the other hand...
HRE conquered holy land, Alexandria, north of Spain, huge parts of Sweden and a lot of Pagans in eastern Europe.
HRE conquered holy land, Alexandria, north of Spain, huge parts of Sweden and a lot of Pagans in eastern Europe.
It's really random, with my first game, France are really not agressive, it's the emperor who is a little bit angry^^. He is a tyran and run to his death
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Dang how far have you played so far? I'm not even out of my first year!
France in my Poland-demo game also took over the Murcia area, but it appears that it can go many ways through different playthroughs. Leon, in the same time frame, blobbed a whole bunch and than broke into atrocious civil war and revolt.
And in my game the Islamic emirates in both the Iberian peninsula and North Africa go nuts on me (Barcelona) as I try to kickstart the reconquista. Me like. Aggressive AI makes for fun games.
As a aside to this, France was involved in Spain. Not to the degree we see in the game however. As per the second Crusade History.
In mid-May the first contingents left from England, consisting of Flemish, Frisian, Norman, English, Scottish, and some German crusaders. No prince or king led this part of the crusade; England at the time was in the midst of The Anarchy. They arrived at Porto at June, and were convinced by the bishop to continue to Lisbon, to which King Alfonso had already gone when he heard a crusader fleet was on its way. Since the Spanish crusade was already sanctioned by the pope, and they would still be fighting Muslims, the crusaders agreed. The siege of Lisbon began on July 1 and lasted until October 24 when the city fell to the crusaders, who thoroughly plundered it before handing it over to Alfonso. Some of the crusaders settled in the newly captured city, and Gilbert of Hastings was elected bishop, but most of the fleet continued to the east in February 1148. Almost at the same time, the Spanish under Alfonso VII of Castile and Ramon Berenguer IV, Count of Barcelona and others captured Almería. In 1148 and 1149 they also captured Tortosa, Fraga, and Lerida.
French departureEditThe French crusaders departed from Metz in June, led by Louis, Thierry of Alsace, Renaut I of Bar, Amadeus III of Savoy and his half-brother William V of Montferrat, William VII of Auvergne, and others, along with armies from Lorraine, Brittany, Burgundy, and Aquitaine. A force from Provence, led by Alphonse of Toulouse, chose to wait until August, and to cross by sea. At Worms, Louis joined with crusaders from Normandy and England. They followed Conrad’s route fairly peacefully, although Louis came into conflict with Geza of Hungary when Geza discovered Louis had allowed an attempted Hungarian usurper to join his army.
Relations within Byzantine territory were also poor, and the Lorrainers, who had marched ahead of the rest of the French, also came into conflict with the slower Germans whom they met on the way. Since the original negotiations between Louis and Manuel, Manuel had broken off his military campaign against the Sultanate of Rüm, signing a truce with his enemy Sultan Mesud I. This was done so that Manuel would be free to concentrate on defending his empire from the Crusaders, who had gained a reputation for theft and treachery since the First Crusade and were widely suspected of harbouring sinister designs on Constantinople. Nevertheless, Manuel's relations with the French army were somewhat better than with the Germans, and Louis was entertained lavishly in Constantinople. Some of the French were outraged by Manuel's truce with the Seljuks and called for an attack on Constantinople, but they were restrained by the papal legates.
When the armies from Savoy, Auvergne, and Montferrat joined Louis in Constantinople, having taken the land route through Italy and crossing from Brindisi to Durazzo, the entire army was shipped across the Bosporus to Asia Minor. In the tradition set by his grandfather Alexios I, Manuel had the French swear to return to the Empire any territory they captured. They were encouraged by rumours that the Germans had captured Iconium, but Manuel refused to give Louis any Byzantine troops. Byzantium had just been invaded by Roger II of Sicily, and all of Manuel's army was needed in the Balkans. Both the Germans and French therefore entered Asia without any Byzantine assistance, unlike the armies of the First Crusade.
The French met the remnants of Conrad's army at Nicaea, and Conrad joined Louis' force. They followed Otto of Freising's route along the Mediterranean coast, and they arrived at Ephesus in December, where they learned that the Turks were preparing to attack them. Manuel also sent ambassadors complaining about the pillaging and plundering that Louis had done along the way, and there was no guarantee that the Byzantines would assist them against the Turks. Meanwhile Conrad fell sick and returned to Constantinople, where Manuel attended to him personally, and Louis, paying no attention to the warnings of a Turkish attack, marched out from Ephesus.
The Turks were indeed waiting to attack, but in a small battle outside Ephesus, the French were victorious. They reached Laodicea early in January 1148, only a few days after Otto of Freising’s army had been destroyed in the same area. Resuming the march, the vanguard under Amadeus of Savoy became separated from the rest of the army, and Louis’ troops were routed by the Turks. Louis himself, according to Odo of Deuil, climbed a rock and was ignored by the Turks, who did not recognize him. The Turks did not bother to attack further and the French marched on to Adalia, continually harassed from afar by the Turks, who had also burned the land to prevent the French from replenishing their food, both for themselves and their horses. Louis wanted to continue by land, and it was decided to gather a fleet at Adalia and sail for Antioch. After being delayed for a month by storms, most of the promised ships did not arrive at all. Louis and his associates claimed the ships for themselves, while the rest of the army had to resume the long march to Antioch. The army was almost entirely destroyed, either by the Turks or by sickness.
As a aside I visited a number of locations in Turkey that were prominent in the crusades. A outstanding example of medieval fortifications can be found in Bodrum and in Rhodes. IF you go to Rhodes you may note the holes in the fortification walls that appear symetrical. Tip, sections of walls were joined/reinforced by metal, you can see a serious of holes in the entire mass of the structure. This metal was stripped out later on for a number of reasons, you can also see stone cannon balls at the foot of the fort in Rhodes.
And just to salt your wounds? I watched Jethro Tull play in the coliseum at Ephesus. And I will never forget it.
In mid-May the first contingents left from England, consisting of Flemish, Frisian, Norman, English, Scottish, and some German crusaders. No prince or king led this part of the crusade; England at the time was in the midst of The Anarchy. They arrived at Porto at June, and were convinced by the bishop to continue to Lisbon, to which King Alfonso had already gone when he heard a crusader fleet was on its way. Since the Spanish crusade was already sanctioned by the pope, and they would still be fighting Muslims, the crusaders agreed. The siege of Lisbon began on July 1 and lasted until October 24 when the city fell to the crusaders, who thoroughly plundered it before handing it over to Alfonso. Some of the crusaders settled in the newly captured city, and Gilbert of Hastings was elected bishop, but most of the fleet continued to the east in February 1148. Almost at the same time, the Spanish under Alfonso VII of Castile and Ramon Berenguer IV, Count of Barcelona and others captured Almería. In 1148 and 1149 they also captured Tortosa, Fraga, and Lerida.
French departureEditThe French crusaders departed from Metz in June, led by Louis, Thierry of Alsace, Renaut I of Bar, Amadeus III of Savoy and his half-brother William V of Montferrat, William VII of Auvergne, and others, along with armies from Lorraine, Brittany, Burgundy, and Aquitaine. A force from Provence, led by Alphonse of Toulouse, chose to wait until August, and to cross by sea. At Worms, Louis joined with crusaders from Normandy and England. They followed Conrad’s route fairly peacefully, although Louis came into conflict with Geza of Hungary when Geza discovered Louis had allowed an attempted Hungarian usurper to join his army.
Relations within Byzantine territory were also poor, and the Lorrainers, who had marched ahead of the rest of the French, also came into conflict with the slower Germans whom they met on the way. Since the original negotiations between Louis and Manuel, Manuel had broken off his military campaign against the Sultanate of Rüm, signing a truce with his enemy Sultan Mesud I. This was done so that Manuel would be free to concentrate on defending his empire from the Crusaders, who had gained a reputation for theft and treachery since the First Crusade and were widely suspected of harbouring sinister designs on Constantinople. Nevertheless, Manuel's relations with the French army were somewhat better than with the Germans, and Louis was entertained lavishly in Constantinople. Some of the French were outraged by Manuel's truce with the Seljuks and called for an attack on Constantinople, but they were restrained by the papal legates.
When the armies from Savoy, Auvergne, and Montferrat joined Louis in Constantinople, having taken the land route through Italy and crossing from Brindisi to Durazzo, the entire army was shipped across the Bosporus to Asia Minor. In the tradition set by his grandfather Alexios I, Manuel had the French swear to return to the Empire any territory they captured. They were encouraged by rumours that the Germans had captured Iconium, but Manuel refused to give Louis any Byzantine troops. Byzantium had just been invaded by Roger II of Sicily, and all of Manuel's army was needed in the Balkans. Both the Germans and French therefore entered Asia without any Byzantine assistance, unlike the armies of the First Crusade.
The French met the remnants of Conrad's army at Nicaea, and Conrad joined Louis' force. They followed Otto of Freising's route along the Mediterranean coast, and they arrived at Ephesus in December, where they learned that the Turks were preparing to attack them. Manuel also sent ambassadors complaining about the pillaging and plundering that Louis had done along the way, and there was no guarantee that the Byzantines would assist them against the Turks. Meanwhile Conrad fell sick and returned to Constantinople, where Manuel attended to him personally, and Louis, paying no attention to the warnings of a Turkish attack, marched out from Ephesus.
The Turks were indeed waiting to attack, but in a small battle outside Ephesus, the French were victorious. They reached Laodicea early in January 1148, only a few days after Otto of Freising’s army had been destroyed in the same area. Resuming the march, the vanguard under Amadeus of Savoy became separated from the rest of the army, and Louis’ troops were routed by the Turks. Louis himself, according to Odo of Deuil, climbed a rock and was ignored by the Turks, who did not recognize him. The Turks did not bother to attack further and the French marched on to Adalia, continually harassed from afar by the Turks, who had also burned the land to prevent the French from replenishing their food, both for themselves and their horses. Louis wanted to continue by land, and it was decided to gather a fleet at Adalia and sail for Antioch. After being delayed for a month by storms, most of the promised ships did not arrive at all. Louis and his associates claimed the ships for themselves, while the rest of the army had to resume the long march to Antioch. The army was almost entirely destroyed, either by the Turks or by sickness.
As a aside I visited a number of locations in Turkey that were prominent in the crusades. A outstanding example of medieval fortifications can be found in Bodrum and in Rhodes. IF you go to Rhodes you may note the holes in the fortification walls that appear symetrical. Tip, sections of walls were joined/reinforced by metal, you can see a serious of holes in the entire mass of the structure. This metal was stripped out later on for a number of reasons, you can also see stone cannon balls at the foot of the fort in Rhodes.
And just to salt your wounds? I watched Jethro Tull play in the coliseum at Ephesus. And I will never forget it.
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more french wierdness...now they have taken over 5 duchies and almost the whole kingdom of al alandus, before 1100 might I add, also they seem to be giving away spanish ducal titles to french nobles who hold no lands or vassals in spain, like the count or vermandois is the duke of valencia, but his only holding is vermandois :/
Considering the size and population of both France and HRE, only thing keeping them in check was internal struggle and sucession problems. Before crying OP wait a few years until the deaths begin to happen.
Who is Jethro Tull?
Who is Jethro Tull?
no need to insult me Beaga, i'm bringing up a valid issue here, this has also happened in most of my demo games, and I don't think waiting a few years will help the fact that a bunch of spanish ducal titles are personally held by the king or his former counts, especially since the king is the only one with holdings in spain out of the french dudes.
I think the problem is mostly that France wages wars of national conquest, whilst historically territories liberated during the crusades were either given to the local Christian ruler (Lisbon given to the Spanish f.ex) or taken as independent fiefs of the commander of one of the bigger crusading forces (the French dukes in the Holy Land did not send taxes back home to France, but started their own kingdom).
yeah it'd be great if there was a series of events that lead ai to give up their overseas provinces to crusaders/crusader states.
Where did Beaga insult you? Just saw France splinter for the third time due to a succession crisis and have already seen muslim states pop up in Southern France. There is nothing overpowered about it. This is a dynasty sim, not a map painting game.
who said anything about fracne being overpowered?? all I said was that tehre was alot of weird behaviour going on, it'd be impossible for the french king to hold large portions of spain in 1066, and it might not be a "Map painting game", but if it is indeed a "sim" or simulation game as you say, then it should simulate the period in a realistic manner, no?...not saying that it's not represented well, the only strange thing i've noticed that reminds me of CK1 is the french conquest of spain that seems to happen very often, and very early.