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Like the title says, I'm going to try and form the Roman Empire as France. It's currently 1470, I've already gotten my cores back from England, taken provinces off Brittany and Burgundy, vassalized Provence, and am currently waging a war to force a PU on Aragon/Naples. Once that's done I plan to attack Castile and make them give Aragon some cores back, along with directly taking a couple provinces for myself to fill out the Vascony state.

Anyone have any tips on how best to do this run? First time I've done a deliberate mass conquest achievement run like this.
 

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Honestly I can't think of any strategy other than just blob and you'll get there eventually. Eat Britain. Eat Spain and go through North Africa to Anatolia. When Shadow Kingdom fires eat Italy. If you're strong enough eat the Emperor and everyone else in HRE.
 

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I finished this exact run a few days ago, was indeed just mindless blobbing, I decided to also go colonialism so I could take over the whole new world for extra income. In general a pretty easy run.
 

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Just grow. Conquer TC land, make CNs, expand where you can. Keep fishing for PUs. Max absolutism when available. Then conquer the land you need with your buckets of ducats and admin efficiency. Take Admin ideas and Influence. Consider tag-switching to Italy for the ideas if you don't need Elan anymore because you're stomping everyone regardless. Integrate PUs such that it completes just as you finish conquering the required land. Aragon is handy as they will provide you a strong navy.
 
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Taking out Spain and the Ottomans is going to be toughest part. I did this same run quite a while back before absolutism, and I finished it in 1780 at a leisurely pace. This was my strategy.

-Ally Castile and spend the entire game fishing for a PU

-Take the Irish province instead of a core after your first war with England, Diplo vassalize an Irish Minor(I picked Leinster to keep the British from doing the same) and use them to eat all of Ireland.

-Declare on Aragon(Promise Castile Land) and release Naples, take a province in Naples or an Island that is in range to fabricate claims(I got lucky and got the event giving me free claims to all of Naples). You're going to want to release Naples for a few reasons, but mostly to keep Castile from acquiring them in case the PU falls through.

-Now the Truce with England should be up, and if you fed Castile you have plenty of Favors. Declare a Reconquest war against England. Castile will handle the Mainland while you stomp the British. Take back your cores and a firm foothold in England. Eat them at your leisure. I allowed them to live so they would colonize, then spent the whole game stealing their colonies.

-Finish the Job on Naples. It's fairly high AE, so you might need two wars. Fight Burgundy at some point and try to force the event that gives you their land for free. If it wont pop, take land you wont get in the event.

-Now the tough part, time to go after the Ottomans. You want to crush them before they get overwhelmingly large. I allied Hungary, vassalized Serbia(Mostly for a staging ground), and I hard rushed Forts with defensive territory. After a bitter war of attrition I was able to get enough warscore and rack up enough war exhaustion that the Ottomans gave me a nice bit of land. I Isolated a province on the coast and took Mountain provinces all around it. I built Forts on the Mountain Provinces, and made the Isolated province the War goal in the next war. This makes for a super easy meat grinder even if they have double your force limit(They took Quantity in my game). The next war take a Byzantine core, release them. The next war declare for a core(I declared for the southern most tip of Greece. It has a fort and it will be easy to isolate.I declared for this province in every war until I could manhandle the Ottomans without effort). I made Byzantium a March and sent officers. Slowly but surely I pushed the Ottomans further and further back until the only Province they had in Europe was the Fort I was cheezing them with. With their high development provinces gone, their excellent trade node gone, and their oversized military draining their economy they become a pushover. I hit this point at about 1595-1600.

-Take Exploration with your 4th Idea(Diplo-Defensive-Admin were my first three) and start stealing Colonies from Portugal and England, colonizing where you like. I colonized Africa and stole colonies in the new world. You're more likely to have rebels in the provinces you take by force, and in the new world your CNs will take care of the rebels. This make for less of a headache shipping troops around. You can take Humanist later to avoid this altogether.

The rest is just playing the game, and taking what you need. If you're lucky(I wasn't) you can get Spain in a PU. If not it's no big deal. I'd give it a shot until you have max absolutism, then break alliance and take them over in a few wars. Make sure to get the islands that count as Spain. Italy is also pretty easy to pick off bit by bit. You get free claims on Milan and Savoy. Venice is easy pickings. Just don't get greedy and take too much AE, and wait until last moment before taking Rome. Cripple Austria when you see an opportunity, no need to rush it.

I had a little luck in my game. I managed to force a PU over Hungary, I got the BI after taking land I wasn't going to get. I got the Naples event. My first war against Spain, they were in the middle of a crisis and had just lost a CN. That said, I also took my time, never ran out of manpower, and almost never used mercenaries. Outside of the first two wars with the Ottomans I never broke a sweat. I also got Better than Napoleon.

Best of luck, sorry this was so long, hope some of it helps.
 

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Taking out Spain and the Ottomans is going to be toughest part. I did this same run quite a while back before absolutism, and I finished it in 1780 at a leisurely pace. This was my strategy.

-Ally Castile and spend the entire game fishing for a PU

-Take the Irish province instead of a core after your first war with England, Diplo vassalize an Irish Minor(I picked Leinster to keep the British from doing the same) and use them to eat all of Ireland.

-Declare on Aragon(Promise Castile Land) and release Naples, take a province in Naples or an Island that is in range to fabricate claims(I got lucky and got the event giving me free claims to all of Naples). You're going to want to release Naples for a few reasons, but mostly to keep Castile from acquiring them in case the PU falls through.

-Now the Truce with England should be up, and if you fed Castile you have plenty of Favors. Declare a Reconquest war against England. Castile will handle the Mainland while you stomp the British. Take back your cores and a firm foothold in England. Eat them at your leisure. I allowed them to live so they would colonize, then spent the whole game stealing their colonies.

-Finish the Job on Naples. It's fairly high AE, so you might need two wars. Fight Burgundy at some point and try to force the event that gives you their land for free. If it wont pop, take land you wont get in the event.

-Now the tough part, time to go after the Ottomans. You want to crush them before they get overwhelmingly large. I allied Hungary, vassalized Serbia(Mostly for a staging ground), and I hard rushed Forts with defensive territory. After a bitter war of attrition I was able to get enough warscore and rack up enough war exhaustion that the Ottomans gave me a nice bit of land. I Isolated a province on the coast and took Mountain provinces all around it. I built Forts on the Mountain Provinces, and made the Isolated province the War goal in the next war. This makes for a super easy meat grinder even if they have double your force limit(They took Quantity in my game). The next war take a Byzantine core, release them. The next war declare for a core(I declared for the southern most tip of Greece. It has a fort and it will be easy to isolate.I declared for this province in every war until I could manhandle the Ottomans without effort). I made Byzantium a March and sent officers. Slowly but surely I pushed the Ottomans further and further back until the only Province they had in Europe was the Fort I was cheezing them with. With their high development provinces gone, their excellent trade node gone, and their oversized military draining their economy they become a pushover. I hit this point at about 1595-1600.

-Take Exploration with your 4th Idea(Diplo-Defensive-Admin were my first three) and start stealing Colonies from Portugal and England, colonizing where you like. I colonized Africa and stole colonies in the new world. You're more likely to have rebels in the provinces you take by force, and in the new world your CNs will take care of the rebels. This make for less of a headache shipping troops around. You can take Humanist later to avoid this altogether.

The rest is just playing the game, and taking what you need. If you're lucky(I wasn't) you can get Spain in a PU. If not it's no big deal. I'd give it a shot until you have max absolutism, then break alliance and take them over in a few wars. Make sure to get the islands that count as Spain. Italy is also pretty easy to pick off bit by bit. You get free claims on Milan and Savoy. Venice is easy pickings. Just don't get greedy and take too much AE, and wait until last moment before taking Rome. Cripple Austria when you see an opportunity, no need to rush it.

I had a little luck in my game. I managed to force a PU over Hungary, I got the BI after taking land I wasn't going to get. I got the Naples event. My first war against Spain, they were in the middle of a crisis and had just lost a CN. That said, I also took my time, never ran out of manpower, and almost never used mercenaries. Outside of the first two wars with the Ottomans I never broke a sweat. I also got Better than Napoleon.

Best of luck, sorry this was so long, hope some of it helps.
That'll definitely be helpful if I can't do it this run. As it is, I already rivaled Castile at the start of the game, and was able to successfully force a PU over Aragon/Naples. I do have plenty of troops, though, and an alliance with Hungary, Bohemia, and the PLC in 1497. I take it I need to use Naples as a springboard into the Balkans right now?
 

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Really, I think you shouldn't worry too much about the achievement until Age of Absolutism. Play a normal easy game, conquer GB, colonize if you want or expand into Spain, don't worry. Then take l'Etat c'est moi, boost absolutism to 100, and conquer what you need in quick easy wars. That's a very easy achievement if you start as a major and push it to 1820.
 

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Taking out Spain and the Ottomans is going to be toughest part.

...you're France

No-cb Byz, wait until Ottos DoW, vassalize, crush them mercilessly.

You even start with a stronger fleet.
 
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That'll definitely be helpful if I can't do it this run. As it is, I already rivaled Castile at the start of the game, and was able to successfully force a PU over Aragon/Naples. I do have plenty of troops, though, and an alliance with Hungary, Bohemia, and the PLC in 1497. I take it I need to use Naples as a springboard into the Balkans right now?
Yes, before someone else eats Serbia and Bosnia.

It sounds like you have a great start going with the two PUs. You can feed Italy to Naples and Spain to Aragon, and you're most the way there. Conquest of GB can be tricky without a beachhead, but their navy will get tied up in another war at some point.
 
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...you're France

No-cb Byz, wait until Ottos DoW, vassalize, crush them mercilessly.

You even start with a stronger fleet.
That is a viable strategy, but it comes with drawbacks of it's own and is deeply unsatisfying on a couple different levels partly due to the fact that it takes advantage of what is effectively an exploit that should be removed from the game.

It is a workable strategy though.

I'm not a fan. You're looking at -2 stab, an instant 30 AE on top of whatever you get for vassalizing Byzantium and Athens. A little more for whatever you take from the Ottomans. You start with a bigger military, but they start with a better military. If the Maine event fires while you're doing that you have another issue. Burgundy is spoiling for a fight and has limited chances to expand and will attack you if your manpower gets low.

An advanced player could pull it off, but it's still not going to be "easy". It's still going to be the toughest part of the campaign.
 

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I am attempting the same achievement at the moment. I went the No-CB Byzantium route straight away. Not only is it good for sinking the Ottomans from game start, but it allows you to spread your AE around by opening up a large Eastern Mediterranean front to expand into while you let your Western Med AE dissolve.
 

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I mean, you're France. You don't even need to no CB Byz.
As I said, ignore any strat, play a regular game as France and come back in 1600 with a screenshot of where you're at. I'm pretty sure the advancement will be good. Come again with a screenshot in 1700 and even if you have less than 500 hours into the game that should almost be it. You have until 1820 to not even conquer all of Europe as France, just be agressive.

I'm not saying that because I forgot how it is to begin. Just trust me. Kill England and Spain early on, colonize a bit if you want. Ally the Ottomans to have an easier time. Use the Ottomans to kill the HRE or even better get elected Emperor by starting off Admin-Influence-Diplomatic. Then so long as you do that before 1750 and you stacked Absolutism you have enough time to turn on the Ottos with Imperialism and get the needed provinces. You can ally Russia to do that for instance, but even you + the electors you potentially allied (like Brandenburg) should be easy with your superior lategame units and your OP ideas. Just follow that rule: never stay at peace for more than 5-10 years, never stay at peace if you have less than 20 AE.
 
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That is a viable strategy, but it comes with drawbacks of it's own and is deeply unsatisfying on a couple different levels partly due to the fact that it takes advantage of what is effectively an exploit that should be removed from the game.

That's not what exploit means and unsatisfying is an individual evaluation, not a strategic evaluation.

Personally I dislike playing natives. I think they are boring as hell. Doesn't mean anytime someone comes to the board and asks for help about natives I can just jump into the thread, shout "THEY ARE BORING, PLAY SOMETHING ELSE" and leave, all while patting myself on the back for how much I helped.


I'm not a fan. You're looking at -2 stab, an instant 30 AE on top of whatever you get for vassalizing Byzantium and Athens.
They're Orthodox with Christian/Sunni neighbours, an isolated region (Anatolia) and vassalizing gives you 75% AE.
Base AE doesn't matter. You're going to tackle low AE regions half the game and only towards the end you dive into the HRE. So barely any AE until then and in the end your AE is exploding anyways.
A little more for whatever you take from the Ottomans.
Core return. You only take Byz cores in the first war. And you'll have to take their provinces sooner or later anyways. Why not sooner AND with reduced AE?


You start with a bigger military, but they start with a better military.
That is incorrect.
If the Maine event fires while you're doing that you have another issue. Burgundy is spoiling for a fight and has limited chances to expand and will attack you if your manpower gets low.
Manpower levels aren't being calced in, and you can defeat England with 2-3 loans not to mention that it isn't even guaranteed to fire.
You also have at least Castille as an ally and England still needs to figure out how to land.

Heck, you could even surrender that war if the person in your example is really that inexperienced. Taking out the Ottoman Empire in 1470 is worth two provinces. England will never pose a threat.

I mean, you're France. You don't even need to no CB Byz.
As I said, ignore any strat, play a regular game as France and come back in 1600 with a screenshot of where you're at. I'm pretty sure the advancement will be good. Come again with a screenshot in 1700 and even if you have less than 500 hours into the game that should almost be it. You have until 1820 to not even conquer all of Europe as France, just be agressive.

I'm not saying that because I forgot how it is to begin. Just trust me. Kill England and Spain early on, colonize a bit if you want. Ally the Ottomans to have an easier time. Use the Ottomans to kill the HRE or even better get elected Emperor by starting off Admin-Influence-Diplomatic. Then so long as you do that before 1750 and you stacked Absolutism you have enough time to turn on the Ottos with Imperialism and get the needed provinces. You can ally Russia to do that for instance, but even you + the electors you potentially allied (like Brandenburg) should be easy with your superior lategame units and your OP ideas. Just follow that rule: never stay at peace for more than 5-10 years, never stay at peace if you have less than 20 AE.
Point taken, but it's about lowering the difficulty level more than efficiency. If you have no issue with Ottos then you can play standard, but the amount of people who run around shouting "Ottomans are OPtomans!" is staggering.

@True_Heir_of_Rome Even used someone who can barely defeat England as France in his example, just to give more context as to whom we're talking about.

Which makes the no-cb on Byz path my preferred recommendation. If anything just to avoid having that discussion later on.

It's not like anyone can actually stand up against France in Europe. Take out the only possible enemy and suddenly the difficulty slider got moved to "easy".
 

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I still think that for a beginner, it's better to take on the Ottomans in 1750 with something like 500 FL and allies when they are alone and have 300 FL, and you have fully unlocked French ideas, than to go for them early on with 40 FL against 40 FL and the looming threat of Burgundy and England, which is actually no problem at all but can be frightening for someone who is new to the game.

Edit @True_Heir_of_Rome : Dominion has this tendency of understimating how hard the game can be for new players. :D But I assure you from reading a good part of his posts that he usually knows what he's talking about; he just assumes a player can't get outmicroed by an AI which is unfortunately wrong.
 
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I should clarify, As far as the quality of the french army and the Ottoman army in 1444, he is wrong. In MP if I was the Ottomans and the French player tried that I would destroy them. The player can do any number of things, and beat the AI in any number of situations.

At 1444 the Ottoman Army is better than the French Army.

He's obviously knowledgeable, and knows what he's talking about. I should have been more specific.
 

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I still think that for a beginner, it's better to take on the Ottomans in 1750 with something like 500 FL and allies when they are alone and have 300 FL, and you have fully unlocked French ideas, than to go for them early on with 40 FL against 40 FL and the looming threat of Burgundy and England, which is actually no problem at all but can be frightening for someone who is new to the game.

I just think people need to learn how byz openings work anyways. It's part of the standard repertoire and people have been complaining on the board for ages about how Ottomans are unbeatable. Kill two birds with one stone. Force a player to learn some of the basics and take away the only thing ruining his lategame.

*shrugs* maybe I'm wrong
 

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As for the issue of the Ottomans being OP, I think that players should just learn to not do nothing during several years if they have money, manpower and reasonable AE, and they'll always end up bigger than the Ottomans in 1750 without any Byz opener and any loseable war. But well, we all have our ways of dealing with the Ottomans.