India and Indochina have a few useful vassals. There's some stuff with generic-generic ideas. Or Vij, if you can pick up a core. But mostly you convert those lands yourself.
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I think the religion in the capital province determines the spawned state's new religion but I'm not 100% sure on that. All provinces that aren't uncolonized or wasteland, need to be of your faith.
I did my run without turning into something revolutionary .
I did my run without turning into something revolutionary .
iirc it's determined by the majority religion of their cored provinces. It's included their cores that you don't own.
if you own more then 50% of development cores of a nation and first convert them, you can release them as your religion. But the rule might be something bit different. Wiz changed it, honestly don't know if the above is right. But it shouldn't be too far from truth. You basically need cores from nation that spawns with religious ideas and release them after converting most of their cores.
pretty sure its depenant on % of development of their total cores that is converted or not, as above.
it is situational. normally, you can convert ALL trade company land easily yourself f you got 5-7 missionaries and religious ideas and all bonuses. Then use vassals like najd and Ajuuran or some manchurian hordes that you convert before releasing, to (ab)use them as feeding vassals that convert it all.
NEVER release indian tags for it. TOTTF and TOH can screw up one faith runs. You can feed Najd stuff outside of trading company land, if you plan it right.
I did one faith with Naxos in 1.15 by just straight converting the world aided by few religious conversion machines left and right. It's doable, but as you mentioned, you need to plan AHEAD and keep mass converting with full bonuses non stop, coring all trade company land and conquering faster then you can convert.
There are Indian nations which have absolute generic ideas. Not muslim or hindu generics, like the absolute basic ones. Discipline, trade power, etcetcetc.
Unimportant stuff, more importantly they have neither tolerance nor ICC, which is a beautiful thing to find in India.
my point was that releasing vassals for conversion is best done outside trading company regions. you are better off half coring the land and tossing it all to TC after core and conversion.
but yeah, a feeding vassal there can be useful sometimes, if you take more land then you can core
I'd still release Najd and feed them india then though after flling their state slots with Persian/horde land , instead of paying full core price for integrating small generic indian nations
Eh, topic is weird either way. We shouldn't have to talk about India.
French OF means you don't have to convert Europe bc your vassal swarm does it all for you and Christians drown in missionaries anyways.
If an Emperor OF fails something must've went wrong in a completely different section of the game.
French OF means you don't have to convert Europe bc your vassal swarm does it all for you and Christians drown in missionaries anyways.
If an Emperor OF fails something must've went wrong in a completely different section of the game.
Thanks for the answers.
Next attempt I need to plan better and also think about the HRE.
While releasing->feeding HRE vassals has benefits (I.e. no liberty desire, no relation slot), all non-HRE vassals/marches get huge liberty desire the larger the HRE gets.
What also did not work was feeding HRE vassals past North Africa. In a regular WC i‘d feed them around Africa into Asia. But since it’s all TC area they won’t convert anything. Does building the Suez Channel help with coring range?
Next attempt I need to plan better and also think about the HRE.
While releasing->feeding HRE vassals has benefits (I.e. no liberty desire, no relation slot), all non-HRE vassals/marches get huge liberty desire the larger the HRE gets.
What also did not work was feeding HRE vassals past North Africa. In a regular WC i‘d feed them around Africa into Asia. But since it’s all TC area they won’t convert anything. Does building the Suez Channel help with coring range?
You revoke anyways after they've convertied Europe because the vassal swarm becomes almost useless beyond the old continent's borders.
No need to keep them around after they've done their job.
You lose Hofgericht, but vassal feeding is better. Saves IRL time. Clicking is annoying.
No need to keep them around after they've done their job.
You lose Hofgericht, but vassal feeding is better. Saves IRL time. Clicking is annoying.
My vassal swarm marched all the way to Ming and did a great job repeatedly.
But you’re probably right in that I should enact the last reform.
At least if liberty desire in non-HRE vassals does not change in the next patch.
But you’re probably right in that I should enact the last reform.
At least if liberty desire in non-HRE vassals does not change in the next patch.
The issue isn't that they don't function anymore, the issue is that they're too slow.
You didn't fail your OF because you suddenly had a stroke and forgot how to click "convert", you failed because the game ends in 1821.
Time is a resource.
If you DoW Ming and your vassal swarm actually manages to arrive you're playing a horribly slow war. Not to mention that while you put your troops on Ming's border, they don't.
So whatever resources they give you, you could use those resources faster. Even though you technically lose ducats, soldiers and MP by revoking.
The time you gain from having everything at hand immediately is worth it.
You didn't fail your OF because you suddenly had a stroke and forgot how to click "convert", you failed because the game ends in 1821.
Time is a resource.
If you DoW Ming and your vassal swarm actually manages to arrive you're playing a horribly slow war. Not to mention that while you put your troops on Ming's border, they don't.
So whatever resources they give you, you could use those resources faster. Even though you technically lose ducats, soldiers and MP by revoking.
The time you gain from having everything at hand immediately is worth it.
If you think about India and revolutionary you are way to slow..you should own India like a hundred years earlier
How exactly did you expand? What were your priorities?
I opened the campaign as suggested here:
- take most of Great Britain, vassalize England
- vassalize+feed Byzantium
There was no BI though and I only became Emperor in the late 17th century (I couldnt be bothered to restart again).
Basically, I just released+fed+annexed several countries on my way to Ming and force converted some countries in Asia, including Japan (which didnt always turn out as hoped).
I was gambling for a PU with Russia which never happend and I decided to DoW them too late.
As for the vassal swarm and Ming:
the first DoW it obviously takes the swarm very long to get there. But once they are in the area it's no problem:
I just repeatedly DoWed tributaries, the swarm is already there. But once again, I was too late.
This is the map in 1718 before I turn revolutionary. I also have a save from this date. Not sure if it's worth loading?
This is what was left in 1821:
- take most of Great Britain, vassalize England
- vassalize+feed Byzantium
There was no BI though and I only became Emperor in the late 17th century (I couldnt be bothered to restart again).
Basically, I just released+fed+annexed several countries on my way to Ming and force converted some countries in Asia, including Japan (which didnt always turn out as hoped).
I was gambling for a PU with Russia which never happend and I decided to DoW them too late.
As for the vassal swarm and Ming:
the first DoW it obviously takes the swarm very long to get there. But once they are in the area it's no problem:
I just repeatedly DoWed tributaries, the swarm is already there. But once again, I was too late.
This is the map in 1718 before I turn revolutionary. I also have a save from this date. Not sure if it's worth loading?
This is what was left in 1821:
PUs are a Reddit exclusive, where savescumming is considered strategy.
If you get one, good for you. But never bet on it. Don't change your plan just because the chance arises.
And Emperor in 16xx seems weird. You can get it as France before 1500 and revoke around 1550, maybe 1600 when you're playing slow.
West Africa being Sunni and not under your control is another oddity. Usually you send a single stack down there, wipe everything and feed a vassal. Caths get enough inherent missionary strength to convert Sunni land (after 1550 or whatever) so you can just ignore the whole region until 1821 after investing maybe two decades and one stack.
I wouldn't reload. You can do better.
And feel free to throw saves in future posts. Can never hurt.
If you get one, good for you. But never bet on it. Don't change your plan just because the chance arises.
And Emperor in 16xx seems weird. You can get it as France before 1500 and revoke around 1550, maybe 1600 when you're playing slow.
West Africa being Sunni and not under your control is another oddity. Usually you send a single stack down there, wipe everything and feed a vassal. Caths get enough inherent missionary strength to convert Sunni land (after 1550 or whatever) so you can just ignore the whole region until 1821 after investing maybe two decades and one stack.
I wouldn't reload. You can do better.
And feel free to throw saves in future posts. Can never hurt.
Gambling on PUs has ruined several campaigns for me. I just don't learn.
It's like when I'm playing poker and hoping for that flush/straight on the river
In this case...oh well. It would have saved me from three wars vs. Russia and given me a nice subject to feed.
Western Africa was no problem. As you wrote: I just placed a small stack there and bit by bit fed everything to my vassal Algiers.
I think what broke my campaign was not planning ahead when I reached India. I had no vassals set up and also noticed too late I couldn't create client states.
I'll try again someday
It's like when I'm playing poker and hoping for that flush/straight on the river
In this case...oh well. It would have saved me from three wars vs. Russia and given me a nice subject to feed.
Western Africa was no problem. As you wrote: I just placed a small stack there and bit by bit fed everything to my vassal Algiers.
I think what broke my campaign was not planning ahead when I reached India. I had no vassals set up and also noticed too late I couldn't create client states.
I'll try again someday
Russia and Spain are prime candidates for PUs actually, they are so far away from the rest of Europe that trucebreak+peace deal AE is manageable
If you want to PU someone get their dynasty, don't hope that they get yours. As France that is really easy as everyone except rivals and Austria likes you, if you get the notice that you'll fall under a PU if your king dies just declare a war, you can't be PUd while at war, kill off your king when the right dynasty takes over
PLC is a 99% sure PU also, because with diplo and influence your chance to win the election is really high
Imho, if you complete a game as a christian major without at least 2 PUs you aren't playing the dynasty game to it's fullest..
How I'd start:
Ally Venice, Genoa, Castile and Poland
Venice and Genoa are the only Catholics that care about the no cb against Byz, so an alliance prevents them getting too much AE..also they have a navy
Poland + you is easily enough to crush Ottos on land, and you can PU them later so you have to help them so they aren't getting killed
Castile is your PU target, because it becomes pretty powerful if not crushed by France and handles the new world well
Build a few warships, no cb Byz, move your troops into Poland (ottos like you at the start and you are at war with their rival, so they'll give you access) before peacing out, crush Ottos in a defensive war
Keep in mind you aren't fighting a reconquest war so aren't benefiting from the ridiculously low AE, and securing a beachhead in Anatolia is more important than taking all of Byz cores, get a land connection to the beyliks and attack them immediately to prevent Ottos from getting their cores (Otto-Karaman start with a 5 year truce, so they should be alive, Candar might be dead)
Owning Karaman allows you to fabricate on Mamluks as well..as all is Heathen to you AE reduction is extremly important, take the age ability and influence ideas asap, also an improve relations advisor (you get a cheap +2 at the start, when he dies you get one from the nobles)
After influence admin->religious->diplo or religious->admin->diplo
Fight England in an offensive war as well, for AE reasons, with tech 4vs3 or 5vs4 you easily beat both England and Portugal alone, if you got 10 favors with Castile already you can call them in and cobelligerent Portugal (as then they won't be able to call in Castile and you can break the Castilian Portuguese alliance)
Your map looks weird, I don't know if it's just the religion map or the political map as well, but it looks like you haven't touched India or China in 1700 while Africa is almost completly yours..India is THE most important land with all it's trade and production, focus on getting there early (hence the whole no cb byz stuff, breaking the Ottos is nice, but honestly every mid to late game player nation can kill Ottos, speed into India is the reason for the no cb)
If you want to PU someone get their dynasty, don't hope that they get yours. As France that is really easy as everyone except rivals and Austria likes you, if you get the notice that you'll fall under a PU if your king dies just declare a war, you can't be PUd while at war, kill off your king when the right dynasty takes over
PLC is a 99% sure PU also, because with diplo and influence your chance to win the election is really high
Imho, if you complete a game as a christian major without at least 2 PUs you aren't playing the dynasty game to it's fullest..
How I'd start:
Ally Venice, Genoa, Castile and Poland
Venice and Genoa are the only Catholics that care about the no cb against Byz, so an alliance prevents them getting too much AE..also they have a navy
Poland + you is easily enough to crush Ottos on land, and you can PU them later so you have to help them so they aren't getting killed
Castile is your PU target, because it becomes pretty powerful if not crushed by France and handles the new world well
Build a few warships, no cb Byz, move your troops into Poland (ottos like you at the start and you are at war with their rival, so they'll give you access) before peacing out, crush Ottos in a defensive war
Keep in mind you aren't fighting a reconquest war so aren't benefiting from the ridiculously low AE, and securing a beachhead in Anatolia is more important than taking all of Byz cores, get a land connection to the beyliks and attack them immediately to prevent Ottos from getting their cores (Otto-Karaman start with a 5 year truce, so they should be alive, Candar might be dead)
Owning Karaman allows you to fabricate on Mamluks as well..as all is Heathen to you AE reduction is extremly important, take the age ability and influence ideas asap, also an improve relations advisor (you get a cheap +2 at the start, when he dies you get one from the nobles)
After influence admin->religious->diplo or religious->admin->diplo
Fight England in an offensive war as well, for AE reasons, with tech 4vs3 or 5vs4 you easily beat both England and Portugal alone, if you got 10 favors with Castile already you can call them in and cobelligerent Portugal (as then they won't be able to call in Castile and you can break the Castilian Portuguese alliance)
Your map looks weird, I don't know if it's just the religion map or the political map as well, but it looks like you haven't touched India or China in 1700 while Africa is almost completly yours..India is THE most important land with all it's trade and production, focus on getting there early (hence the whole no cb byz stuff, breaking the Ottos is nice, but honestly every mid to late game player nation can kill Ottos, speed into India is the reason for the no cb)
You can somewhat reliably fish PU by doing elective monarchy (they get relative on your throne, you claim theirs), or just chain disinheriting with only 1 marriage so you lose your dynasty and get someone else's.
These are typically pretty weak options in my experience, especially since once you have absolutism going there are only a small handful of nations in the world significantly larger than your 100% annex capability, and maybe 1-2 of those are Christian.
To be conferred a substantial benefit from a PU therefore requires you to snag a large nation (France, Muscovy, Spain) by chance early in the game...or to play a TAG that gets shots at them by event as arbitrary freebies.