France needs to gtfo of Iberia.

[Damocles]

The issue isn't really whether Muslims are too strong or not. The balance you're looking for is impossible, since if one side has even the slightest advantage, they will inevitably landslide over the other as the RNG determines.

The only way to fundamentally affect the nature of the Muslim blob vs Christian blob phenomena is to make the provinces more difficult to conquer. It's very easy to conquer a province when you just swoop in, siege the capital, and boom, it's all yours, with all the baronies and bishoprics or towns, with 100% warscore.

 

[raw]

The issue isn't really whether Muslims are too strong or not. The balance you're looking for is impossible, since if one side has even the slightest advantage, they will inevitably landslide over the other as the RNG determines.

The only way to fundamentally affect the nature of the Muslim blob vs Christian blob phenomena is to make the provinces more difficult to conquer. It's very easy to conquer a province when you just swoop in, siege the capital, and boom, it's all yours, with all the baronies and bishoprics or towns, with 100% warscore.

I think what PI intends with this as well as with the levy mechanic are quick and short skirmishes in wich one or two provinces exchange owners and then a short period of peace followed by another war, etc... basically a form of continuous warfare as opposed to the pretty static and clear cut wars in EU3 and Vicky2.

 

[Andrzej I]

But two suggestions: (1) make truces last much longer; and (2) modify the holy war CB to give the aggressive victor only what he holds at the time of the peace. So if I call a royal crusade to conquer Sicily against the Sheik of Palermo and take his capital barony and the Town of Palermo, I should not get the entirety of his demesne, but only those two holdings. Frankly, this is how many of these smaller crusades turned out, in Iberia in particular, where peace may just mean that one town changed hands.

This, with an increase to negative penalties for having a vassal's levy raised for a more significant amount of time, would work, in my opinion. Especially if we tone down the frequency of holy wars. Traits and relations may need to be looked at, too, in France and the HRE in specific. The HRE is far too stable for the time period, with Bavaria, Saxony, and Swabia all proving fairly loyal subjects of an emperor who seems to have very few enemies. France may need more threatening vassals as well.

 

[KonradRichtmark]

Well, one could argue that in a sandbox game starting in 1066, the Muslim taifas *should* overrun the Christian Iberian ones in a fair number of games. The so-called Reconquista was by no means an inevitable thing then, only the battle of Las Navas di Tolosa 1212 really sealed the fate of Andalusia.

If memory serves me correctly, Andalusia was very wealthy by the time the game starts, but divided into very many small states, almost all of them individually smaller than the Christian states. Making such a setup would make the taifas too individually weak to advance, but still cause enough inertia for a Christian conquest to be a slow thing.

 

[Neoptolemos]

But the basic reason why our illustrious 1066 French forebears did not set up a Franco-Iberian empire in the 11th Century was because the French Roi was still dreaming of the day his authority would even be imposed on the Occitan world. Something that didn't really happen until the Albigensian Crusade, centuries later.

But so long as there is determination to keep the duchies of Aquitaine and Toulouse as direct vassals of the French Roi at game start, this will stay as is. Since doing so basically removes a hundred and fifty years of struggle. With Burgundy as well, I might add, which persisted past even CK2's time frame.

The means through which Phillip Augustus successfully recouped a large part of France from the Angevin monarchs was by demanding that King John attend his court, something that the dukes of Aquitaine hadn't done in centuries. That, more than any other reason I can think of, argues for only de jure French claims to the south. If the dukes of Aquitaine and Toulouse didn't even pretend to behave like French vassals until the thirteenth century (and if war was the only thing that changed it even then), then there's no reason to depict them otherwise. As independents, they'll still have a say in the crown laws, but the French king will have no influence over them.

To put it another way, Venice and parts of central Italy still occasionally claimed the Byzantine emperor as their suzerain around this time, but we don't have them as part of the Byzantine Empire because they were vassals in name only.

 

[Xihu]

Every Pdox game this happens: "OMG FRANCE NERF PL0X."

Thanks Germany!

 

[thebigj_a]

Really happen all the time?... I'm maybe lucky because i play 4 games, and never see a big French invasion. The biggest french invasion i saw:

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Not too much. The emperor are little more angry in Spain. Should i say it deserve a patch?

They are to in Spain! See? They wrote all over it in that language of theirs!

 

[Doomdark]

Not sure what overseas mean in this context - but if it works as I think it does, then this would also prevent (in the 1066 scenario) HRE and Denmark from going after Pomerania and Pomeralia, correct?

Nope. Those areas do not have an independent de jure Christian king or duke.

 

[Dakk]

Nope. Those areas do not have an independent de jure Christian king or duke.

But Poland is the de jure kingdom of both those duchies (Pomerania & Pomeralia). It seems I'm not understanding the conditions, could you please elaborate?

 

[Doomdark]

But Poland is the de jure kingdom of both those duchies (Pomerania & Pomeralia). It seems I'm not understanding the conditions, could you please elaborate?

In that case, the HRE would still attack, since they are neighbors, but Denmark would not.

 

[OdinTGE]

Well I was just annoyed to no end by this...I hated France in EU3 and I hate France in CK2. I have my angry face on. Right now. You should see it; it's very angry.

 

[drake000666]

Well I was just annoyed to no end by this...I hated France in EU3 and I hate France in CK2. I have my angry face on. Right now. You should see it; it's very angry.

Try the Bella Gerant Alii MOD in the mod forum, the mod makes the game harder but it limits France and the HRE a lot more have a nice game going right now and France is not going crazy in Spain anymore. Also in the game I got going right now the Byzantine empire is imploding

 

[Garak]

Well I was just annoyed to no end by this...I hated France in EU3 and I hate France in CK2. I have my angry face on. Right now. You should see it; it's very angry.

People always seem particularly bothered by France doing well in any game. Honestly, the uber-Byzantines bother me more. Of course, the fix for that in CK1 just resulted in Constantinople falling to the Seljuks within the first hundred years of every game, so I'm inclined to think these issues will never be balanced to everyone's satisfaction.

 

[Doomdark]

People always seem particularly bothered by France doing well in any game. Honestly, the uber-Byzantines bother me more. Of course, the fix for that in CK1 just resulted in Constantinople falling to the Seljuks within the first hundred years of every game, so I'm inclined to think these issues will never be balanced to everyone's satisfaction.

First rule of game design: nothing can ever be balanced to everyone's satisfaction.

 

[Communard]

Phillipe does have Spain on the brain, when I was the Duke of Valois he completely abandoned France and set up his court in sunny Barcelona, giving me Paris and the Duke of Orleans Orleans.

 

[fiallach]

In my game France fell appart, it became an elective monarchy with Toulouse independant.

On the other end, the HRE looked like a super giant blob, until it exploded. Really exploded, independant burgundy ( which is funny, it's in savoy, there is a different burgudian prince , and there is also a duché of bourgogne in France, they are not even from the same family) ,large independant bavaria, holstein, etc...

Golden Horde was a massive power, and collapsed too.


The only blob left is the byzantin empire, who managed to take almost everything east of the Mediterranean Sea.

Maybe people didn't play long enough? I saw many blob collapse just because one bad ruler. Often, you just have to wait until old and respect rulers die ( maybe assassinate some people, this can help).

 

[Nitt the Mitt]

France did indeed conquer and expel almost all the Islamic states early in my game. However over the last a hundred years, they've lost almost all their territory they gained. France now barely holds on to small parts of Barcelona.
The Kingdom of Galicia holds almost all of the Spanish Peninsula.

 

[Erispoe]

What about restricts the right to attack pagan/muslim state to :
- neighbouring state (for the case of Spain and Sicily)
OR
- target of Crusade (for the Holy Land)
OR
- ruler with Zealous or Crusader attribute (for the Baltic)

HRE IA seems to always first attack Baltic pagans, so the third conditions will just delay the end of the Baltic pagans.

 

[Fidelius]

Im sorry, but been spanish one of my most played games is the Iberian one, and it feels very cheap that every single match i have al least one french duchy salvaging the remains of the Aragon crown.

Sometimes, Valencia gets overrun by moors, only to be reconquered by... THE FKING CAPET himself.

Dont really know if its intended or not, but added to the fact that the different taifas always get assimilated under the Kingdom of Mauritania, becoming almost like those undestructible alliances of the first CK, the Iberian kingdoms are almost unplayable (or atleast, as unplayable as in CK1)

My personal solution? Nerfing France each time they get their noses where they shouldnt by getting into their court and surrendering all their wars.

 

[Fjoelsvider]

uhm, seriously? even with france iberia is one of the easiest starting palces if you have got a few mechanics down...

say you start as leon, kill of one of your brothers to get a foothold, or hope for one of them dying in battle if you like, happens often enough. and then its just cruising onward

my castillian king is holder of 9 kingdoms now, even though most of southern iberia is french (pre patch started game).

and from what i understand the french invasions should stop with 1.03