My expierence is that you still get Sudetenland as before but when WT is above 25% it's more unlikely. One time Fate of Czechoslovakia failed for me because they were in a faction. Never had that seen before 1.9.
France guarantees Yugo at start now, or bug?
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My expierence is that you still get Sudetenland as before but when WT is above 25% it's more unlikely. One time Fate of Czechoslovakia failed for me because they were in a faction. Never had that seen before 1.9.
And myself I've seen AI Czechoslovakia flat out say no to Germany, because of French guarantee causes the AI Czechs to think they can take on Germany. causing a very early WW2.
I get the same thing with my playthrough as the Soviet Union, France for no appearent reason just guarantees Romania, not allowing me to take bessarabia. This never happened before the patch update.
I don't see the Yugoslavia guarantee as bad. The Italy First path was unrealistically easy before (if you knew what you were doing).
Yea, the strat for fast roman empire has you take out france in late 1936 to early 1937.
To be honest it is still true to this day. Intercontinental freight shipping goes exclusively through Amsterdam or Hamburg, for a good reason.
I have failed to apply the same conditions to the outfitting of an invasion force so yeah thanks for enlightening me!
It'd be more realistic if Romania guaranteed Yugoslavia (along with Czechoslovakia, which already does). France did sponsor the Little Entente, but by 1936 had lost interest in the project, which led Romania to become the driving force between the Little Entente instead (Romania was still closely aligned to France though).
And this would be fine. It would meet the middleground of historically accurate and fun. It would be fun because it would be a somewhat fair fight between A-H(with an absorbed CZE) and Romania/Yugoslavia. It would take place before the major war and would give either side a good chance of gaining much needed IC leading up to Danzig or War.
However, an anti-war France joining a war in the Balkans before Munich is neither historically accurate or fun, for anyone(not even France, because it collapses their stability, so what's the point?)
BAHAHAAH. No.
I already made a guide to the roman empire. The strat was to actually go for Austria, Czech and either Yugoslavia or Romania in an early conquest, denying the German conquest to weaken them. Then you took Spain as soon as you could when the civil war was over. Well if the nationalists won. Then you went for france. Italy could never take France on their own unless they joined the axis as the ports in the south were weak and Italian naval could never hold against the French in the lower ports. You would run out of supply fast and the french would push you out. You also could never push through the alps with the full French army there.
You actually would take France and UK in a single fell swoop. With the opening on the french and spanish borders, you'd push through France pretty easily and have plenty of industry with the austrian, czech and yugoslaviana/Romanian under your belt.
This was usually aroudn 1938-39 you'd take France and UK down, depending on how comfortable you were with attacking them. This required you be in the Axis though and station your entire navy on the ports of Germany for a sealion.
Pushing into France in 1936 was never really feasible. You couldn't punch through the mountains or the southern port with the entire french there. Ive tried and thats how I found the actually good strategy with my guide.
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It's easy now to kill Yugoslavia then kill France as you already are at war. Naval invasion seems to work quite well. France has so low stab at the early game so will fall easily. But it feels a bit pointless as Italy in 1937 have Yug and Fra and be at peace.
If the French were willing to throw the Czechs to the wolves and questioned fighting for Poland, why would they be so gung ho about protecting Yugoslavia? It's the same problem when you have the British intervening and getting into a lengthy and costly war with Sweden while they're giving the Sudetenland to Hitler.
Unless they changed France from how they were in the last patch in 1.8.2, not really. Ive tried. The french navy just cuts off your supply.
I agree that the Italy - Yugo invasion could happen way too soon and too easily, but it just seems non-historical and should not be there by default at the start of the game. It should come in to place only if France does focuses for the little entente, I think, or as someone suggested it should be Romania instead. Making it France in jan 1936 is just very strange.
Historically, yea it does happen way too soon, but you could also rush Anschluss and do alot of other things unhistorically but they dont fix that either. Forcing Italy to sit back and wait for WW2 to get anything done just makes them worse off.
Historically wise, makes sense but gameplay wise, it wasn't needed.
Right now the following strategy seems solid: rush Greece via focus, rush Romania via Bulgarian ally (Romania is guaranteeing Greece) , then justify on previously claimed Yugoslavia before the end of Romanian campaign to have the wargoal fast, then rush Yugo while holding France, then fight France and try to capitulate her before Germany or at least build up a high warscore.
Yeah i was thinking the same thing, Italy now just has to rush Greece instead
Pretty much this. Any guarantee should be removed in June 1936 with the ascension of the Popular Front French government.
Yea the guarentee on Czech is actually screwing with Germanys Demand Sudentland. They are braver than ever and... this isn't good.
I think we need to say it clearly, France guarantee in 1936 ( when France was in politically turmoil and cannot even help Spanish democrats in the civil war ) ruins the game - historically speaking-. There are focus to make France interested in the guarantee of the Balkans country, but now is practically impossible to change the course of history. I mean what is the meaning of the Little Entente with these new starting settings?
I believe France should not garantee Yugoslavia, nor other litte entente country from the start. Should choose between going allies or little entente at some point as event escalate (Opposing the Munich agreement and provide garantees or let the agreement be and join the allies)
This change has made Italy way less fun to play and has increased railroading the game. Has been clearly put in there to avoid Italy expanding in the balkan too early
On a personal note, I enjoy the game when not historical.For me this is a game of possibilities and opportunities. Given a fair, somehow realistic scenario, see what could happen, explore all the possibilities, within some sort of constrains (and the game does it quite well).
If you want 75% realism ... just play realism mode but do not force your vision of the game upon us all.
If you want 100% realism ... do not play the game. SPOILER ALERT. Axes loses, allies and comintern win in 1945.
Cheers
This change has made Italy way less fun to play and has increased railroading the game. Has been clearly put in there to avoid Italy expanding in the balkan too early
On a personal note, I enjoy the game when not historical.For me this is a game of possibilities and opportunities. Given a fair, somehow realistic scenario, see what could happen, explore all the possibilities, within some sort of constrains (and the game does it quite well).
If you want 75% realism ... just play realism mode but do not force your vision of the game upon us all.
If you want 100% realism ... do not play the game. SPOILER ALERT. Axes loses, allies and comintern win in 1945.
Cheers