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Hmm ok. I found none that does not require tech 10 and unless you manage to pay +180% ahead of time admin points that does not help with the achievement.

Ok. I give up. I would claim you need to get to India to be able to shift away from HRE before 1500 and that should be too far
As far as the achievement goes, yeah, either expand at a ludicrous pace, or eat +180% tech cost, or both. Which just goes to show that we're better off getting that particular achievement by more normal means!

My apologies for being unclear: I was speaking about HRE tag-switching in general; since most formations explicitly exclude them, the few that don't are worth noting.
 

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Exactly. Keep both English and Francien culture at 50% of development, than you don't have to spend any points to culture shift.

This is the link to a (rather crude) guide/AAR: http://imgur.com/a/FL4SM

Playing currently with the exploit on 1.18, ironman, for the easy WC-achievements:
*img omitted*

What 1.18 Exploit on Iron Man? that looks like a fun run to take a break from being a baddie, would you care to share your strat?
 

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First part is incorrect, second part is backwards. With the new culture shift mechanism from 1.18, it doesn't have to be your capital, you don't lose stability, and it's not a decision; it's in the government tab. Also, it needs to be 50% or greater of your stated development, whereas previously a plurality (more than any other, so even 20% if no other was >19%) was enough. Secondly, it doesn't matter whether it's a territorial core or a state (full) core; it only needs to be in a state. So you can state a set of territorial cores, switch cculture, and then de-state them, without spending the adm to full core.

So this seems pretty easy to fix, then. Have culture shifting count development in state cores rather than just development in states, and change HRE removal on formation to always keep you in the HRE if you are the emperor. (Probably just the first half is mostly sufficient, but the second part will help bulletproof things.)
 

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I meant how he got most of Iberia, Freance, Commonwealth and the Balkans into HRE Princes, I mean I know its doable, seen it before, I just for the live of me can remember how its done.
For nations with fixed capitals:
1) Take a nation's capital province.
2) Add it to the HRE.
3) Sell it back to them.
For nations without fixed capitals:
4) Take their new capital province.
5) And any provinces that have higher development than their old capital.
Or you can always annex a nation, add their capital to the HRE, and then release them, that works too.
So this seems pretty easy to fix, then. Have culture shifting count development in state cores rather than just development in states, and change HRE removal on formation to always keep you in the HRE if you are the emperor. (Probably just the first half is mostly sufficient, but the second part will help bulletproof things.)
State cores are instant, and can exist within territories (see: diplomatic annexation), so you're 1) not preventing it, just making it more expensive in adm and 2) actually making it easier because it removes the necessity of stating and then de-stating under some circumstances.

As for the second part, I'm not sure exactly what problem you're trying to address. The exploit, such as it is, isn't forming HRE, then adding territory back into the empire...because since you've passed all the reforms, there's no need to. The exploit being discussed is hotswapping between English and French, and is only possible to farm IA via because England is the one remaining (okay, a couple RotW formations might not flag it, but most do) nation formation where the code checks whether you're an elector, but not whether you're the Emperor, before removing your lands from the Empire. And as far as tag-switching away from HRE goes, I personally am glad that it 1) exists and 2) isn't easy. I feel like both of those make it a good thing, whereas only one would not.
 

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Related note, I'm playing on 1.18.4 and became Emperor as Scotland. If I join the Empire then form GBR I'm not getting kicked out the empire because I'm staying a duchy instead of becoming a kingdom. Is that suposed to be happening?
 

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Related note, I'm playing on 1.18.4 and became Emperor as Scotland. If I join the Empire then form GBR I'm not getting kicked out the empire because I'm staying a duchy instead of becoming a kingdom. Is that suposed to be happening?
GB formation checks for emperor and elector status before removing provinces from empire (to prevent IA spam from formations), so you'll stay duchy (since you're not an elector, max rank you can have is duchy).

So in answer to your question, it's a maybe-unintended side effect of something that was put in place to stop revoke easymode.
 

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Related note, I'm playing on 1.18.4 and became Emperor as Scotland. If I join the Empire then form GBR I'm not getting kicked out the empire because I'm staying a duchy instead of becoming a kingdom. Is that suposed to be happening?
It's intended because in previous version there were a lot easier analoge exploits and they fixed those by changing some tag changes not to remove provinces form the HRE (e.g. like GB). And in 1.17 that was fine. Culture shifting was different and this back and forth wouldn't have worked.
 

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I meant how he got most of Iberia, Freance, Commonwealth and the Balkans into HRE Princes, I mean I know its doable, seen it before, I just for the live of me can remember how its done.

Conquer, add to hre, release.
Not entirely. You have to core anything now before you can add it to HRE. That makes it a lot harder. I made two HRE stretches, one to Besarabia and one to Helsinki, in order to get princes with a lot of cores (like TO, Byzantium, Crimea, Bulgaria, Galicia-Volhynia,...) in my empire. On top of this, I fed a lot of land to seabordering princes (Scandinavia to nothern Germans with a port, North Africa to French/Italian minors with a port). That saves you a lot of coring, but you have to be careful about the diplo costs of unjustified demands. Therefore, I took influence ideas.
 

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As for the second part, I'm not sure exactly what problem you're trying to address. The exploit, such as it is, isn't forming HRE, then adding territory back into the empire...because since you've passed all the reforms, there's no need to. The exploit being discussed is hotswapping between English and French, and is only possible to farm IA via because England is the one remaining (okay, a couple RotW formations might not flag it, but most do) nation formation where the code checks whether you're an elector, but not whether you're the Emperor, before removing your lands from the Empire. And as far as tag-switching away from HRE goes, I personally am glad that it 1) exists and 2) isn't easy. I feel like both of those make it a good thing, whereas only one would not.

I meant that any nation formation decision should check whether you're the emperor before removing your lands from the empire, as you allude to.
 
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