France-GBR-HRE Exploit

[JohnyCage]

If I remember correctly couple of months ago someone posted a clever exploit of quick HRE revoke by switching from France to GBR while being emperor. I tried to search for the thread but with no success. Can someone help me to find it or explain what exactly were the steps taken.

 

[Ironside121]

- Be France
- Kill England
- Get English Culture in 51% of states
- Become Emperor
- Add all territory to HRE
- Tag switch to England after Culture Shifting
- Re-add all territory to HRE (Switching to England should remove all your territories)
- Remove one state in England so you can Culture shift to France again
- Rinse and repeat

The general gist of it is to keep changing between the two nations and stack up IA for your reforms, back and forth.

 

[JohnyCage]

Thank you. Can you provide a little more help on the culture shift...
From what I understand I should make teritory cores my existing non-francien french cultured cores and make english ones full cores until english culture is >50%. move the capital to english cultured province and accept culture shift?

 

[krieger11b]

It won't work in 1.19 while Austria in Emperor at least due to historic rivalry killing relations and the requirement to add your provinces, in particular, your capital which you need to join the HRE is based on your development and culture. Since France has a primary Francien culture and has huge development the requirement was something like 480 positive relations with the emperor, so no that isn't happening anymore.

 

[Ironside121]

It won't work in 1.19 while Austria in Emperor at least due to historic rivalry killing relations and the requirement to add your provinces, in particular, your capital which you need to join the HRE is based on your development and culture. Since France has a primary Francien culture and has huge development the requirement was something like 480 positive relations with the emperor, so no that isn't happening anymore.

It works fine, as Emperor you can add all your provinces, and you'll join the HRE when you add your capital. That's why you need to become Emperor before culture shifting.

And yes OP, I think you do need to move your capital. I forgot to mention that part. And make sure they're all full cores, but just make them a territory, rather than a state. I'm pretty sure the game counts the % of culture from your states only, ignoring any regions that aren't in a state.

 

[krieger11b]

It works fine, as Emperor you can add all your provinces, and you'll join the HRE when you add your capital. That's why you need to become Emperor before culture shifting.

And yes OP, I think you do need to move your capital. I forgot to mention that part. And make sure they're all full cores, but just make them a territory, rather than a state. I'm pretty sure the game counts the % of culture from your states only, ignoring any regions that aren't in a state.

You can't get to be electable for the HRE unless you are in the HRE, or the AI for some reason.

 

[Ironside121]

You can't get to be electable for the HRE unless you are in the HRE, or the AI for some reason.

This is false.

You can become Emperor as a Christian Ottomans, even. Being outside of the HRE gives a -50 to your vote calculation with nations, but a high enough dip rep can counter this, along with dragging your allies into wars with Austrias allies with them involved.

Notice how there's only a negative modifier, I can still be elected Emperor if I wanted to.

 

[Camtheman]

Yeah it's really easy to get the HRE as France even without diplo/influence because of their large size /proximity to the HRE and especially their +1 dip rep tradition.

That + advisor + max legitimacy + common additonal dip rep missions + papal dip rep = +5 dip rep. Enough to steal from Austria.

After that you can do what the above poster(s) said.

All of this is possible due to the new culture shifting mechanism. The old way, via the "Accept Cultural Shift" decision, was written to limit a bunch of nations from culture shifting, including France, Prussia, HRE, Ming (to any culture besides Chinese ones) etc.

With the removal of this decision, almost any nation can form any other nation with notable exceptions: Papal state, Holy Roman Empire, and tag-locked nations like Qing.

Ming can form Bharat and get permanent claims on all of India. Even better (though more difficult) is forming the Mughals. (Minghals)

These are just some of the new possibilities, I am sure there are other exploits around. I fast-revoked (although not as fast as the GBR shenanigans this version) as Lithuania in 1.15.1 in a similar fashion, though more difficult. Lithuania -> Commonwealth (removes you from the HRE, readd all provinces) -> Ruthenia (removes you from the HRE again, readd all provinces) -> Russia (same, readd all provinces)

This was a much slower way. Might be an alternative to the France strat should it work in the current version.

My one tag using the similar exploit (Lithuania->Commonwealth->Ruthenia->Russia->HRE)

 

[Chagall]

So can you get BBB achievement by eating England and using this exploit the integrate the whole HRE for the 100 european cores?

 

[Gratak]

Yeah it's really easy to get the HRE as France even without diplo/influence because of their large size /proximity to the HRE and especially their +1 dip rep tradition.

That + advisor + max legitimacy + common additonal dip rep missions + papal dip rep = +5 dip rep. Enough to steal from Austria.

After that you can do what the above poster(s) said.

All of this is possible due to the new culture shifting mechanism. The old way, via the "Accept Cultural Shift" decision, was written to limit a bunch of nations from culture shifting, including France, Prussia, HRE, Ming (to any culture besides Chinese ones) etc.

With the removal of this decision, almost any nation can form any other nation with notable exceptions: Papal state, Holy Roman Empire, and tag-locked nations like Qing.

Ming can form Bharat and get permanent claims on all of India. Even better (though more difficult) is forming the Mughals. (Minghals)

These are just some of the new possibilities, I am sure there are other exploits around. I fast-revoked (although not as fast as the GBR shenanigans this version) as Lithuania in 1.15.1 in a similar fashion, though more difficult. Lithuania -> Commonwealth (removes you from the HRE, readd all provinces) -> Ruthenia (removes you from the HRE again, readd all provinces) -> Russia (same, readd all provinces)

This was a much slower way. Might be an alternative to the France strat should it work in the current version.

My one tag using the similar exploit (Lithuania->Commonwealth->Ruthenia->Russia->HRE)

You size does not matter if you are outside the empire. The only advantage is that every elector allies you but that's not really a problem for anyone anyway...

So can you get BBB achievement by eating England and using this exploit the integrate the whole HRE for the 100 european cores?

No you need to stay France to get that achievement. And the HRE cannot tag switch to anything AFAIK.

 

[durbal]

What always gets me is the people that want to do this to get achievements. It's not really an achievement at that point, is it? It's interesting the first few times people figure things like this out, but beyond that...oh well, different strokes for different folks.

You can download Steam hacks that give them all to you if you want.

 

[Gratak]

What always gets me is the people that want to do this to get achievements. It's not really an achievement at that point, is it? It's interesting the first few times people figure things like this out, but beyond that...oh well, different strokes for different folks.

You can download Steam hacks that give them all to you if you want.

People are still trying to do 1.14 record-time WCs with hordes... That's a lot worse than this one... Especially considering how buggy that patch is (and yes, I know, one bug is the reason you can do it this fast, in addition to the hordes being OP in that patch).

 

[Threshold]

And yes OP, I think you do need to move your capital. I forgot to mention that part. And make sure they're all full cores, but just make them a territory, rather than a state. I'm pretty sure the game counts the % of culture from your states only, ignoring any regions that aren't in a state.

First part is incorrect, second part is backwards. With the new culture shift mechanism from 1.18, it doesn't have to be your capital, you don't lose stability, and it's not a decision; it's in the government tab. Also, it needs to be 50% or greater of your stated development, whereas previously a plurality (more than any other, so even 20% if no other was >19%) was enough. Secondly, it doesn't matter whether it's a territorial core or a state (full) core; it only needs to be in a state. So you can state a set of territorial cores, switch cculture, and then de-state them, without spending the adm to full core.

All of this is possible due to the new culture shifting mechanism. The old way, via the "Accept Cultural Shift" decision, was written to limit a bunch of nations from culture shifting, including France, Prussia, HRE, Ming (to any culture besides Chinese ones) etc.

This.

No you need to stay France to get that achievement. And the HRE cannot tag switch to anything AFAIK.

Tibet, Shan, Malaya...there are options, but they're not great, and require jumping through a bunch of hoops.

 

[Gratak]

First part is incorrect, second part is backwards. With the new culture shift mechanism from 1.18, it doesn't have to be your capital, you don't lose stability, and it's not a decision; it's in the government tab. Also, it needs to be 50% or greater of your stated development, whereas previously a plurality (more than any other, so even 20% if no other was >19%) was enough. Secondly, it doesn't matter whether it's a territorial core or a state (full) core; it only needs to be in a state. So you can state a set of territorial cores, switch cculture, and then de-state them, without spending the adm to full core.

This.

Tibet, Shan, Malaya...there are options, but they're not great, and require jumping through a bunch of hoops.

Ok... Good to know But that's a bit far away for "before 1500"

 

[Dutchman251]

First part is incorrect, second part is backwards. With the new culture shift mechanism from 1.18, it doesn't have to be your capital, you don't lose stability, and it's not a decision; it's in the government tab. Also, it needs to be 50% or greater of your stated development, whereas previously a plurality (more than any other, so even 20% if no other was >19%) was enough. Secondly, it doesn't matter whether it's a territorial core or a state (full) core; it only needs to be in a state. So you can state a set of territorial cores, switch cculture, and then de-state them, without spending the adm to full core.

Exactly. Keep both English and Francien culture at 50% of development, than you don't have to spend any points to culture shift.

This is the link to a (rather crude) guide/AAR: http://imgur.com/a/FL4SM

Playing currently with the exploit on 1.18, ironman, for the easy WC-achievements:

 

[JohnyCage]

Thanks everyone for the help

 

[Sfan]

People are still trying to do 1.14 record-time WCs with hordes... That's a lot worse than this one... Especially considering how buggy that patch is (and yes, I know, one bug is the reason you can do it this fast, in addition to the hordes being OP in that patch).

Well that's a completely different story. I myself don't understand what is the point of using exploits to do achievements, because part of the fun of the achievement is the implicit rule of no exploit, do it the proper way.
But breaking records on 1.14 makes a lot of sense. You are basically competing with people that used the same exploit, you are using other rules, but it still requires immense skill. It's a different game than normal EU4 because you have infinite manpower and you can raze like mad, but it is a game that can still be interesting. As long as people don't come bragging like "I can do a WC as Manchu in 1.14 faster than you can do a WC with any country in 1.19", I'm perfectly fine with people doing this, and I don't see how someone should be bothered by these challenges.

 

[Gratak]

Well that's a completely different story. I myself don't understand what is the point of using exploits to do achievements, because part of the fun of the achievement is the implicit rule of no exploit, do it the proper way.
But breaking records on 1.14 makes a lot of sense. You are basically competing with people that used the same exploit, you are using other rules, but it still requires immense skill. It's a different game than normal EU4 because you have infinite manpower and you can raze like mad, but it is a game that can still be interesting. As long as people don't come bragging like "I can do a WC as Manchu in 1.14 faster than you can do a WC with any country in 1.19", I'm perfectly fine with people doing this, and I don't see how someone should be bothered by these challenges.

Then why should anyone be bothered by people trying to do an 1.18/1.19 WC as fast as possible? And I did not say that I'm complaining about people doing that. Just meant that I wouldn't... Same as here you are basically trying to optimize exploits that other people found.

 

[Threshold]

Ok... Good to know But that's a bit far away for "before 1500"

Point, yeah. Though, there might be one or two more that I neglected to mention, in hopes they won't be patched out.

 

[Gratak]

Point, yeah. Though, there might be one or two more that I neglected to mention, in hopes they won't be patched out.

Hmm ok. I found none that does not require tech 10 and unless you manage to pay +180% ahead of time admin points that does not help with the achievement.

Ok. I give up. I would claim you need to get to India to be able to shift away from HRE before 1500 and that should be too far