France can be so silly

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I'm playing as Germany. I control all of Germany, all of Austria-Hungary, Poland, Besariba (sp?) from Russia, Denmark, Norway and Sweden and Northern Italy.

I have a massive colonial empire in Africa.

France declares Colonial War on me.

Little do they realize is that I have no colonies! I make them states right off. :rofl:

So, I send my Navy and block off their harbors and take their colonies at my leasure.

:rofl:

 

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well, to them it must have seemed like a good idea at the time...

 

[EUnderhill]

France should be able to attack any overseas province of yours. I recall a nice little scrap with USA as UK and they had no problem attacking Ontario and British Columbia, which at the time were states. And this was colonial war. I could not pursue into the States and the game crashed when I was forced to retreat into them.

 

[unmerged(29181)]

France should be able to attack any overseas province of yours. I recall a nice little scrap with USA as UK and they had no problem attacking Ontario and British Columbia, which at the time were states. And this was colonial war. I could not pursue into the States and the game crashed when I was forced to retreat into them.

A colonial war is limited to colonies. Enemy armies cannot invade states in such a war.

 

[EUnderhill]

A colonial war is limited to colonies. Enemy armies cannot invade states in such a war.

They did it to me. Scouts honor. Ontario was a state from scenario start, and I made everything else that could be a state the moment the war started, yet Canada was being overrun regardless of statehood or no. I could park my navy in the Chesapeake, but could not land troops. It was truly annoying. 1.03 pre-beta.

 

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:wacko: Odd.

 

[unmerged(25053)]

Once the AI believes in total vengeance it seldom looks back. It is rare that the AI can fight a war with a country and not DOW them again and again and again. The USA-Mexico situation is a good example. Once there is a war between the two, then the USA (who usually wins the first one) will DOW Mexico until they are gone. Very strange.

Once relations dip and there is a previous war (is that tracked?), then the two AI states go toe to toe again and again.

As for France, they really TICK ME OFF. My German miltary (land and sea) are three times there's and they either a) won't DOW me on the continent since the mil rating matchups are too much in my favor b) DOW colonial war on me.

In one game, France had a long war with Spain against USA. French exhaustion was 50% .. so, of course, with no navy (against my 100+ steel ships), France colonial DOW me.

Again, the AI is just looking at raw numbers (relations, core provinces, and just maybe previous war history) and not the situation.

Granted, coding a situational AI is hard. So, what can be done? Any ideas?

 

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Idea: You steal Paradox's AI guy. Remove his brain. Put it in a vat and attach electrodes to it. Have it run the AI.

 

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Woo- Hoo! 200 posts!

 

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Oh, and by the way .. I do not hate the AI .. I just make it pay.

Unfortunately, I do not want to own France or any part of it. Still, in some games, there are mega war casualties from the 3-4 wars (all after 1875) with France, and I dislike casualties (eg., Mark Clark should have been dismissed imo). For me, WC is no point since it is too easy to beat the AI ... I just 'go thru the motions' of clicking here and there and playing the game. (What can I do in this game or that, how much control do I have over econ/tech items/miltary, can I build to my hearts content, form alliances, etc.)

Grand Strategy (and getting an enemy army on ground of MY choosing) is what I am good at, so that is what I enjoy. Therefore, all of Paradox's products that I own are great and fun. Someday, I might even get CK ... (Xmas is coming, right?)



Late edit: CONGRATS DHAMPIR!

(Make that 'Super Leader Dhampir')
btw, what are your mod-stats, Dhamp, for you? <grin>

 

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As Mexico, Usa declares war(3rd war-Usa soundly beat 1st two so no problem) Then Britian declares colonial war. Britian comes down and retakes provs I have taken from USA. The two are not allied. I assumed that the provs the Brits were retaking were still colonies(Washington and Montana) but what a previous poster in this thread said makes me wonder. Were you in a normal war with another power? The game mentioned about Mex vs USA and UK was lost due to crashes.

 

[OriginalRafiki]

I'm not 100% sure if it's still like this, but I've seen in earlier patches (and done it myself) that you can't directly enter an enemy state, but if you enter it via an enemy colony, you'll be able to do so. However, you won't be able to get state provinces as part of colonial peace deals.

But for the original situation, I thought you shouldn't be able to declare colonial war on someone who doesn't have any colonies?

Rafiki

 

[Memnon]

I'm not 100% sure if it's still like this, but I've seen in earlier patches (and done it myself) that you can't directly enter an enemy state, but if you enter it via an enemy colony, you'll be able to do so. However, you won't be able to get state provinces as part of colonial peace deals.

But for the original situation, I thought you shouldn't be able to declare colonial war on someone who doesn't have any colonies?

Rafiki

You can't declare colonial war on someone unless both of you have claimed colonies. But in Dhampir's case, those colonies have already become states.

 

[OriginalRafiki]

Ach zo. Sounds like something for the FAQs.

Rafiki

 

[OriginalRafiki]

BTW, this can hardly be WAD, can it?

Rafiki

 

[Memnon]

BTW, this can hardly be WAD, can it?

Rafiki

Well, perhaps not, but taking it out fould cause problems. For example--if the Ottomans colonized Nigeria, and it eventually became a state through immigration, sould it make sense for France not to be able to declare "colonial" war on them? I mean, just because it's a state doesn't make it no longer a colony of sorts. And taking it out would probably benefit multiethnic countries near colonizeable land, like Tripoli or the Ottomans more than it helped France of the UK

 

[OriginalRafiki]

But if I get this correctly, you can end up with a situation where a country can declare war on another one that doesn't have any colonies, so the first country bascially has little/no hope of getting anything from it, and that just doesn't seem right.

I'd be much more at ease with it if there was a mechanism for escalating colonial wars into regular ones. But there isn't

Rafiki

 

[Memnon]

But if I get this correctly, you can end up with a situation where a country can declare war on another one that doesn't have any colonies, so the first country bascially has little/no hope of getting anything from it, and that just doesn't seem right.

I'd be much more at ease with it if there was a mechanism for escalating colonial wars into regular ones. But there isn't

Rafiki

I'd love to be able to escalate the wars as well, as long as the AI did it, too (otherwise, you'd just wait until you were ready, then escalate it).

So could you just put a check in the files to see if "colony=yes" or something like that is true for a state, and if there isn't one, not allow colonial war?

 

[Strategist]

But if I get this correctly, you can end up with a situation where a country can declare war on another one that doesn't have any colonies, so the first country bascially has little/no hope of getting anything from it, and that just doesn't seem right.

I'd be much more at ease with it if there was a mechanism for escalating colonial wars into regular ones. But there isn't

Rafiki

Will a colonial war also not change in a great war? I thought that was possible, if I'm right it will also be a full war or am I mistaken?

 

[Darkrenown]

Great wars are infectious can will cause other wars to be listed as great wars, but only the listing changes, not the rules.