Fosterling

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I went and got DV, but i think i've goofed when it comes to Fosterling. Decided to try out playing Flanders in 1066, sent the kids of my 2nd son (who won't be inheriting) off to neighbors.

The threads say they're suppose to return once they finish their education, but they haven't. The oldest boy stayed in that court, found himself a wife and now has a daughter. The girl got married off to yet another court. The youngest boy is still a child in the King of England's court.

Have i lost them entirely then? Is fosterling meant only for the heir? I know i can go in and edit the save-game and bring the oldest back, and his family will follow later on. I guess my main problem is, I'm just not 'getting' the whole reason for fosterling. I've had enough events come up with the starting offspring of my own courtiers this first generation, to last me my whole life.

Is there a way to bring Fosterlings IN to my court, as from my Pagan Vassals? To more easily switch their heirs over to the Catholic Faith?

On a different subject, i know all about using my Liege to help fight my battles, but is DV different when it comes to them declaring war? Yes, they joined me in declaring war on a foreign county, but even after i captured/force vassalized that county, my Liege still came in, attacked it, captured it and then claimed it for himself. Is there a time limit from my capturing to when my Liege declares peace? There's still a declaration of war between my vassal and my Liege, carried over from before, once i force-vassalize it.

 

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Well... I'm by no means an expert, but the A.I. does offer fosterlings to you, although I do suspect it has something to do with your reputation or power or whatever sneaky ways the A.I. has to determine your danger. For example... I didn't get fosterlings when I was the lowly Count of Gelre, but when I became the Duke of Gelre, Holland and Flanders... Other Dukes were offering me fosterlings quite regularly. I even had a prince (fifth in line, but still a prince) of the Kingdom of England as a fosterling. So the A.I. sends 'em.

As to returning... I never had a fosterling who did not return, but I never send grandchildren away... So perhaps...

...I'm sorry, I haven't got a clue. Veldmaarschalk will probably know, though. From lurking I learned that he knows a lot about the game.

 

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...I'm sorry, I haven't got a clue. Veldmaarschalk will probably know, though. From lurking I learned that he knows a lot about the game.

Yes, i totally agree with you there, he's enlighted me alot when i was slogging thru CK.

I have a feeling i'm heading for a fall with this first DV try. I've got vassals scattered all over the place, The Baltic/Mecklenburg Pagans, A few in Burgandy (had the bright idea of trying to get my first King title from there, but that went no-where fast), and now in Spain. Where i did snag a King Title, King of Navarra (which i get the impression, is one of those 'floating' titles, as none of the counties i can find, show as part of that area).

 

[TempestDK]

I went and got DV, but i think i've goofed when it comes to Fosterling. Decided to try out playing Flanders in 1066, sent the kids of my 2nd son (who won't be inheriting) off to neighbors.

The threads say they're suppose to return once they finish their education, but they haven't. The oldest boy stayed in that court, found himself a wife and now has a daughter. The girl got married off to yet another court. The youngest boy is still a child in the King of England's court.

Have i lost them entirely then? Is fosterling meant only for the heir? I know i can go in and edit the save-game and bring the oldest back, and his family will follow later on. I guess my main problem is, I'm just not 'getting' the whole reason for fosterling. I've had enough events come up with the starting offspring of my own courtiers this first generation, to last me my whole life.

Is there a way to bring Fosterlings IN to my court, as from my Pagan Vassals? To more easily switch their heirs over to the Catholic Faith?

On a different subject, i know all about using my Liege to help fight my battles, but is DV different when it comes to them declaring war? Yes, they joined me in declaring war on a foreign county, but even after i captured/force vassalized that county, my Liege still came in, attacked it, captured it and then claimed it for himself. Is there a time limit from my capturing to when my Liege declares peace? There's still a declaration of war between my vassal and my Liege, carried over from before, once i force-vassalize it.

I have never seen my fosterlings stay at the foster court after they turn 16. I think it could happen in a republic if they manage to turn 16, inherit the govenor's title before they return.

But I have never seen that happen, just heard stories

Seems weird that your fosterlings don't return. Are you playing with any mods??

As for getting fosterlings, that will happen from time to time (sometimes too often). I am not sure when or how the AI decides to send fosterlings. I have mostly recieved them from vassals. In my current game, my king of Navarra, Aragon, Castile, Portugal, Leon and Andalusia with 5000 prestige have so far only recieved 1 fosterling from one of the vassals. In other games I have been spammed with youngsters.

Navarra consists of (at least in DVIP) five provinces in northern Spain/ southern France. Labourd, Albret, Navarra, Viscaya and Rioja.

 

[TempestDK]

On a different subject, i know all about using my Liege to help fight my battles, but is DV different when it comes to them declaring war? Yes, they joined me in declaring war on a foreign county, but even after i captured/force vassalized that county, my Liege still came in, attacked it, captured it and then claimed it for himself. Is there a time limit from my capturing to when my Liege declares peace? There's still a declaration of war between my vassal and my Liege, carried over from before, once i force-vassalize it.

That is because when you settle peace with your opponent, the liege doesn't automatically do the same (only the other way around). So if you vassalize an opponent, that ruler is still at war with your liege and the liege will come, smack him around and grab the territory. The liege will not settle peace if he thinks he can win ... and since you just smashed that country into the ground, it is easy pickings for him.

So the lesson: Don't force-vassalize an opponent when your liege and/or other vassals are still at war with him. Take the territory (and the BB hit) and then give it away if needed. The new ruler will not be at war with anyone.

 

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Seems weird that your fosterlings don't return. Are you playing with any mods??

Nope, no mods, did a complete fresh CK/DV install just to make sure i had any old CK mods gone.

Aiee! I think I've figured out why it's doing what it's doing. I had sent the oldest boy and the girl to the Duke of Holland (the van Holland's), who is their half-brother. Could that be why they are sticking around? The game see's them as family (even tho they have a different last name from them)?

Navarra consists of (at least in DVIP) five provinces in northern Spain/ southern France. Labourd, Albret, Navarra, Viscaya and Rioja.

In my DV, the County of Navarra is showing as part of the Kingdom of Aragon (in the little pop-up box when mousing over). Which is why that King title looked funny. Also, when i was grabbing his titles, under usurp, it showed 0 of 0 counties. A crusade had just started, and he only had a demense of 2 counties (and no vassals), and he was going to get swamped by some Spanish Moslems. Which is why i sent all i could down there, took a few Moslem counties to ease the pressure on him, then turned around and conquered him to get the King title.

Once i finished, i now see that both Aragon and Castille are also down to 1 demense/no vassals, so it looks like my work isn't done.

 

[TempestDK]

Unless the childrens' mother is at that court, I don't see that happening. I have sent fosterlings to far away rulers, family members, vassals etc ... but never seen them disappear like that.

If theyare not in foster care, they will stick with their mother.

The problem with the oldest boy could be that if he turned 16 before he returns, he could be married to one of the foster ruler's dynasty, and maybe then he will stay at that court.... if maybe he would return home with the girl in tow. I am not sure.

Does he hold an advisory position in the foster court?? ... might also be why he will not return home.

I can't exactly remember ... but there seemed to be some debate over the return of the fosterlings in DV ... but whether it was fixed by one of the beta-patches (which I assume you have installed) or in some of the mods, I am not too sure.

 

[TempestDK]

Looking at the beta-patches, this fix, might be the one that would have cured your problem:

- Fosterlings can never get married.

... so can I assume that you haven't applied the latest beta-patch??

 

[Veldmaarschalk]

To which court did you sent that fosterling ? The count of Hainaut is also a 'van Vlaanderen' (he is the heir of the starting duke). And it might be that he has given your fosterling a position in his court and arranged a marriage for him.

I never seen a fosterling not return though, sometimes it just takes a bit longer, but they always have returned.

 

[TempestDK]

To which court did you sent that fosterling ? The count of Hainaut is also a 'van Vlaanderen' (he is the heir of the starting duke). And it might be that he has given your fosterling a position in his court and arranged a marriage for him.

I never seen a fosterling not return though, sometimes it just takes a bit longer, but they always have returned.

But doesn't the fosterling trait stay until the child actually returns to his own court?? .... if so, with the beta-patch, it should not be possible to arrange marriages for them.

Can you give a fosterling an advisor position, if their education ends before they return home??

 

[Veldmaarschalk]

But doesn't the fosterling trait stay until the child actually returns to his own court?? .... if so, with the beta-patch, it should not be possible to arrange marriages for them.

Can you give a fosterling an advisor position, if their education ends before they return home??

Well like you said he could be using an old patch, which had some bugs in it with fosterlings.

 

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Sorry for the long delay, i took a nap.

I had sent both kids (Robert de Flandres - Born 1064, Adela de Flandres - Born 1065 - So we start with them in the Court of Flanders) to the Duchy Court of Holland, Duke Dirk van Holland, their half-brother. Their mother had remarried a de Flandre (already set up that way in-game at start). She remained in the Flander's court.

Robert is now 19, his wife is from one of the Apulia counties, neither of them have a Court Appointment. Their daughter is now 2 (it's 1083). I first noticed he was still there when he was 16 and no Education trait - but i can't swear to it if he still had the Fosterling trait, tho i'm fairly certain he didn't, there's no Fosterling trait for either now). Robert is still showing one friend who lives back at the home Court.

The game is showing it is patched to the 2.1 Beta patch, at the Singleplayer/Multiplayer screen. The directions said it wasn't necessary to patch with the earlier ones, so i didn't. Maybe it is necessary after-all. I installed CK, patched with 1.05, installed DV, patched with 2.1. I used only the last patch, Oct 15 posting.

 

[TempestDK]

Sorry for the long delay, i took a nap.

I had sent both kids (Robert de Flandres - Born 1064, Adela de Flandres - Born 1065 - So we start with them in the Court of Flanders) to the Duchy Court of Holland, Duke Dirk van Holland, their half-brother. Their mother had remarried a de Flandre (already set up that way in-game at start). She remained in the Flander's court.

Robert is now 19, his wife is from one of the Apulia counties, neither of them have a Court Appointment. Their daughter is now 2 (it's 1083). I first noticed he was still there when he was 16 and no Education trait - but i can't swear to it if he still had the Fosterling trait, there's no Fosterling trait for either now). Robert is still showing one friend who lives back at the home Court.

The game is showing it is patched to the 2.1 Beta patch, at the Singleplayer/Multiplayer screen. The directions said it wasn't necessary to patch with the 2.0, so i didn't. Maybe it is necessary after-all. I installed CK, patched with 1.05, installed DV, patched with 2.1.

Check the Beta-patch thread. There are several beta-patches, all called 2.1. If you installed CK+DV from the CompletePack, then the patch that is applied to that game is from June and the latest patch is from October.

Just in case, go get the latest one (at the bottom of the thread) and apply that. That should fix the fosterling problem for you in the future. Probably won't bring back the oldest kid who got married already.

It also fixes other issues, as you can read up on in the thread.

Beta-patch thread: http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=331766

 

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Just to be sure, i dl'ed and installed the latest one again.

I'm correct in saying that it's just a matter of unpacking-overwriting files? It's not one of those auto-installers? I checked as it was overwriting, and each overwrite file was the same size as the one overwritten.

I'll go ahead and mod him back to the home court, and keep an eye on his younger brother. He's currently 13, a fosterling at the court of the King of England (who just so happens to be a cousin, tho not a de Flandres). Those 3 were the only de Flandres i had the option to fosterling out, until my starting ruler passed away a year ago, and his heir returned with his sons/grandchildren to take the throne.

 

[Veldmaarschalk]

Just to be sure, i dl'ed and installed the latest one again.

I'm correct in saying that it's just a matter of unpacking-overwriting files? It's not one of those auto-installers? I checked as it was overwriting, and each overwrite file was the same size as the one overwritten.

Correct you need to unpack the patch yourself. Only installing the last one should have been enough.

 

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Well, i finally went back to that saved game and played thru until that youngest boy (my ruler's grandson - thru a non-heir) finished his Fosterling at the Court of the King of England. Once he lost his Fosterling trait, he also went to the court of his half-brother, Duke of Holland, not to my court (he was born after start of the game in my court). By this time, their mother had passed away at my court, but his older full-brother was at my court.

I went and sent a great-granddaughter of my starting ruler (granddaughter of current ruler) to Fosterling elsewhere, will see what she does in 6 years. Presently, there aren't any young children of my ruler to test to see what they do, but i'll test that later on. I modded him back to my court and married him off. He hasn't finished his education yet, just turned 16. It's just not making any sense.

Maybe everything will sort itself out, once all of the pre-mades have passed away. Anyone else playing Flanders in DV, having the same problems Fosterling those starting grandchildren that have those Half-siblings from Holland?

 

[jordarkelf]

As mentioned, there was a bug in either CKDV 2.0 or one of the betas, where the fosterling trait was sometimes not being cleared when kids turned 16. It should've been fixed by now though.

Fosterlings will return to the court of their father (as shown on his portrait, alive or not), or if that court is not available, to the court their closest living relative is in.

In the case of the kids of Holland, their father is dead from the start, but as his oldest son is the current duke. If his full brothers and sisters become fosterlings, and their mother dies before they return, they will go to Holland, not the county in Flanders their half-brother is in.

 

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In the case of the kids of Holland, their father is dead from the start, but as his oldest son is the current duke. If his full brothers and sisters become fosterlings, and their mother dies before they return, they will go to Holland, not the county in Flanders their half-brother is in.

I'm playing Flanders, so it's the half-siblings of those Hollanders I'm having problems with, the Holland kid's mother remarried a de Flandre and had (in my game) 3 more kids. Those kept migrating/staying after Fosterling to the Holland court, not mine. Also, since the Holland kids in my court aren't Flandres, i have no option to Fosterling them out.

....... or if that court is not available, to the court their closest living relative is in.

Aha, that sounds like an excellent clue there, before the oldest two finished their Fosterling, my Flanders Duke promoted to a King title, tho his court remained in the Flanders Duchy area (he did move court one county over tho). Could that be it? Their old court was gone/renamed ingame?

That can explain what happened for the first 2, but for the youngest boy, i had modded his closest full-brother back to my King's court, so he still should have moved to the correct court. But he still went to the court of the Duke of Holland (THE oldest half-sibling thru his mother). Makes me wonder if it's the 'oldest' closest living relative rule here.

But at least that would explain my predicament, thank you.

 

[kadvael56]

the fosterling trait was sometimes not being cleared when kids turned 16.

Do they lose the trait when they turn 16? I thought it was when they had their final education trait.

 

[jordarkelf]

Do they lose the trait when they turn 16? I thought it was when they had their final education trait.

It is cleared by the engine, shortly after they turn 16. The education traits are set by event around the same date.

It is perfectly possible for fosterlings to return home with their education not yet finished.