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I must again register my dissent to this attack. Unless even more significant units of the British navy are isolated or neutralized in the intervening two weeks, I believe that any attack on Malta will, even if successful, entail unsustainable casualties.
 

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OOC: Damn I was hoping we could take Malta easily

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I concur with Commodore Sturmgeist assessment of our naval forces, and his strategy seems very sound.

I can not agree with General Rocky Horror however, his plan to give the French our Industrial heart is foolhardy at best and at worse almost treason.

We must take the offence and fight the ground war on our terms. If you wish to throw the French off balance attack them in their NA colonies. At the very worst it would force them to divert their forces from our northern border and the fight against Germany. If Sturmgeist's subs can interfere with there troop movements it would be all the better.

Attacking the French in NA would deny the French and their British allies air and naval bases in Tunis and further along the Med, this can only benefit our air and naval forces. If we can drive far enough it would also bring Gibraltar into range of our bombers.

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I can not agree with General Rocky Horror however, his plan to give the French our Industrial heart is foolhardy at best and at worse almost treason.

The greater the prize, the stronger the temptation. If the French saw only mountains before them, they would not drive; if they saw factories, they would run. And our trap would have sealed their doom.
 

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Originally posted by Faeelin
"I think it is vital to remember that in our tragic defeat, it was our bombers that forced teh British to withdraw. Thus, our naval strategy did work. Without those planes, the British would have destroyed our transports, sendin thousands of brave souls to die, laden with their gear, in the depths of the ocean. Those men now live to fight naother day. And you tell us our strategy does not work?"
Signor, if you direct this against me I have one point to make- it is your pilots and their precious aircraft that have taken all the trained defense researches in Italy for their adventures. Meanwhile, this almost criminal action causes our sea to run red with the blood of our sailors and assault troops, because they are forced to fight handicapped against the British when our navy should have been enjoying complete victory! Our first assault against Malta has failed, and a second is risky for the presence of French and British warships that we cannot challenge, for we lack ships of equal caliber!

Currently, we do not even have a single capital ship in service- and look where it has gotten us- a failed assault in which the Regia Aeronautica claims credit for stanching our losses, when in reality, had we constructed a battle fleet, Il Duce would be riding his charger through the streets of Valetta. Our research into aerial pursuits has taken us far enough- we must concentrate on the Navy, for it is the Navy that will destroy Task Force H and the rest of Cunningham's ships, it is the Navy that will deliver Malta, and it is the Navy that will give us Egypt. I am sure Grand Admiral Cavagnari agrees with me; with an advanced line of battleships, with support from the submarine arm and advanced technology the British cannot stand against us.

Duce, if you give me a modern fleet I shall give you the Mediterranean.
 

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Originally posted by Rocky Horror
The greater the prize, the stronger the temptation. If the French saw only mountains before them, they would not drive; if they saw factories, they would run. And our trap would have sealed their doom.
It is a massive risk if it fails then we have lost the war, if it succees will have gained very little, we will still have to fight though their to border. They French have a much larger army then we do and their losses would be easier for them to bear. If do manage it when we retake our territory will will need to rebuild our factories, mines and infrastructure that would surely suffer from even a brief French occupation.

Il Duce, now it not the time for risks like this. If we attack it should be in French North Africa. Strike where our enemy is not!

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Il Duce, I will let the combat record speak for itself. What has brought you victory? Our fliers. What has not? Our sailors. There is no sense throwing a surfeit of bad money after good. The honorable Admiral allows himself to be blinded by the regrettable losses he has taken in his ineffectual attacks on the British fleet.
 

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The fact remains that Africa is where we are showing solid, concrete gains. Let us advance on what is already going well for us. Attack where they are weak, and then let us consolidate our gains and strike at the seas.
 

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"I fully agree with Balboa we have no need for capital ships we should increase and modernize our air and submarine arms."

"As for Malta if we take that island we have a secure supply line to our African colonies. What that means for the war effort can't be overstated."
 

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General Carlo de Daoloth approaches the table.

Gentlemen, the Italian Navy is a force to be reckoned with, as is evident by our damage done to the British navy in the sinking of two heavy cruisers and multiple merchantships. Therefore I assert that we increase submarine research and prodcution alike.

Regarding the airforce, we must be sparing. We should invest in short range fighters to hassle the French air force enough to stop the bombardment of the border troops.

While taking grounds in Africa is a good deed, assaulting Malta is not. Once we have already been thwarted. In place of Malta, I propose that Italy invade the Balkans, and annex as much as possible. With the Balkan resources, we can reap more industrial output and thus expand our submarine fleets, as well as our tank divisions and fighter wings. The Balkans and Africa must be our primary focus if we are to come out as the victors.
 

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Originally posted by Rocky Horror
Il Duce, I will let the combat record speak for itself. What has brought you victory? Our fliers. What has not? Our sailors. There is no sense throwing a surfeit of bad money after good. The honorable Admiral allows himself to be blinded by the regrettable losses he has taken in his ineffectual attacks on the British fleet.
On this matter it seems that we can agree, let us continue our efforts in the air. We can not afford to put research into the surface navy now. We can however deny them bases of operation if we attack in NA. This is our best hope for driving the British and French from the shores of the Med.
 

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Let us look at success! The air force has, despite a respected admiral's attempt to steal the credit, destroyed on their own two capital ships of the British. The surface fleet has to date destroyed a single capital ship, at the cost of being crippled itself and wholly unable to support the Maltese invasion. Our submarine forces have thus far destroyed many merchant ships, doubtless doing considerable damage to enemy industry.

I ask you; Which one of these arms has not been performing to its potential?
 

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Originally posted by Rocky Horror
Il Duce, I will let the combat record speak for itself. What has brought you victory? Our fliers. What has not? Our sailors. There is no sense throwing a surfeit of bad money after good. The honorable Admiral allows himself to be blinded by the regrettable losses he has taken in his ineffectual attacks on the British fleet.
You mistake yourself again, General. Our attacks against the British have failed because we fight with the same equipment that the British fought in the last war. The most primitive of technological achievements have been squandered away so that the air arm may damage the Royal Navy, nothing more. It would seem that the submarine arm alone has done more to defeat the British than the precious fighters and bombers of some present. Would it not seem reasonable to think, that if one part of the fleet could do so much, then the victories that await us if we finally construct a modern navy?
 

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"I concur. As minister of armaments, I believe we should focus our production on air power. Once we have taken Egypt and Malta, we can move into the Balkans as we please, or perhaps into French Algiers."
 

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Originally posted by Petrarca
You mistake yourself again, General. Our attacks against the British have failed because we fight with the same equipment that the British fought in the last war.
You tell us this now, we spent a great deal of our efforts in modernising 4 WWI battleships, this was supposed to make them state of the art wasn't it?
 

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Originally posted by Rocky Horror
Let us look at success! The air force has, despite a respected admiral's attempt to steal the credit, destroyed on their own two capital ships of the British. The surface fleet has to date destroyed a single capital ship, at the cost of being crippled itself and wholly unable to support the Maltese invasion. Our submarine forces have thus far destroyed many merchant ships, doubtless doing considerable damage to enemy industry.

I ask you; Which one of these arms has not been performing to its potential?
I congratulate the general on his success. With the devotion of the nation's resources to the air arm, the bombers have succeeded in destroying two cruisers. Even our own fleet, starved pitilessly of resources, could take such losses without much ill effect. Thanks to the policies chosen by those present, though, such cruisers function as our flagships, in the place of true men of war vast numbers larger.
 

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You mistake yourself again, General. Our attacks against the British have failed because we fight with the same equipment that the British fought in the last war. The most primitive of technological achievements have been squandered away so that the air arm may damage the Royal Navy, nothing more. It would seem that the submarine arm alone has done more to defeat the British than the precious fighters and bombers of some present. Would it not seem reasonable to think, that if one part of the fleet could do so much, then the victories that await us if we finally construct a modern navy?

Damage? Two modern heavy cruisers at the bottom of the Mediterranean, never to bother us again, damaged? A full two thirds of the capital ship kills garnered in this war, damaged? The salvation of several divisions worth of battered soldiers while your forces wandered around being devastated, damaged?
 

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Originally posted by Kiith
You tell us this now, we spent a great deal of our efforts in modernising 4 WWI battleships, this was supposed to make them state of the art wasn't it?
If the records serve, then only two battleships are currently in service, both woefully outdated. There has been, according to conciliar records, no modernization for these ships. How can you expect to take Cairo and the Suez with two ancient vessels against the Royal Navy? I plead with those reasonable that we may finally construct a fleet to win the victories deserved to us.

I repeat myself: Give the fleet a modern line, and we shall give Il Duce the Mediterranean.
 

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Originally posted by Rocky Horror
Damage? Two modern heavy cruisers at the bottom of the Mediterranean, never to bother us again, damaged? A full two thirds of the capital ship kills garnered in this war, damaged? The salvation of several divisions worth of battered soldiers while your forces wandered around being devastated, damaged?
Task Force H would lie with the Turkish ships sunken around Malta if we had the ships to challenge them. Instead, Italy cowers in fear because the Regia Aeronautica has seen fit to deprive us of any new research or battleships.
 

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"I wish to remind my colleagues of the following. We are not Germany. We are not England. We cannot afford to build massive fleets. We ar enot blessed with iron and steel and coal. Italy has a pittance.

This is why we build an air force. To help our men conquer what we need, on land and at sea. The navy will ship our men to north africa, but will you fight their battles? The army can win a battle, but if it cannot get there? Only the air force can do what Italia needs."
 

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Originally posted by Faeelin
"I wish to remind my colleagues of the following. We are not Germany. We are not England. We cannot afford to build massive fleets. We ar enot blessed with iron and steel and coal. Italy has a pittance.

This is why we build an air force. To help our men conquer what we need, on land and at sea. The navy will ship our men to north africa, but will you fight their battles? The army can win a battle, but if it cannot get there? Only the air force can do what Italia needs."
I shall believe this when I see Task Force H and the rest of Cunningham's BBs sunk. Until then, my faith is not kept in the air force.