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This is against law in some countries and as such dont apply for users living in countries with such laws. :)

8. {No Nazis, Pirates, or Porn} NAZIS -It IS illegal to show Nazi flags in Germany and various other countries. The same is true for other Nazi symbols (e.g. related to the SS) or Nazi propaganda material, including songs etc. Any links posted to a scenario or mod which includes a Swastika or other illegal Nazi symbols will be deleted.
And what about soviet flag, which is also illegal in several countries? :)
 
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It is pretty simple if you want to post here you agree to these rules, if not then you don't get to post.
 
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Would you mind highlighting the changes from the previous version of the User Agreement? In other words, what is new?
 

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This replaces the old so you only need this as a reference.
 

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This is against law in some countries and as such dont apply for users living in countries with such laws. :)
Hm, I believe in a forum the laws of the host's country are the only laws which are really important, not the laws of the user's country.
 

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Could a moderator or administrator elaborate on the copyright issue please (rule #6)? My understanding is that ideas expressed on the forum can be used freely by Paradox staff for producing their products, etc., but to what degree does this hold for members who post original ideas for debate. For example, some of the more detailed AARs here could conceivably be turned into literary works (not mine of course, but some others are very good). Would anything bar the author from doing so? Of course, it would be a great courtesy if Paradox and forum users were thanked for contributing to the final product. And some of us here of a more academic bent do share our knowledge on a variety of subjects, some of which I am rather impressed by. Finally, a loaded question: who owns the mods? Ideas contained in mods have been in the past integrated into patches and expansions, and rightly so, but it makes me a bit nervous to share some of my ideas here, because (not the exact words I use here--that I admit is properly Paradox's property) but the ideas could find their way eventually into print. So please do clarify what Paradox Interactive actually means in as much detail as you find proper. Thank you.
 

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So basically the same rules that were already in place, but better structured and with the addenda included in the main text. Thanks for posting them here.
 

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On the off-change that PI forum gets hacked and all user data stolen (which recently has been a commonality), will the users be held responsible?
Of course I don't believe Paradox would act like this, but this point seems to warrant a bit more elaboration
 

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On the off-change that PI forum gets hacked and all user data stolen (which recently has been a commonality), will the users be held responsible?
Of course I don't believe Paradox would act like this, but this point seems to warrant a bit more elaboration
I think it means if you give away your password and name and someone hijacks your account don't blame paradox. I don't think it has anything to do with hacking.
 

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I think it means if you give away your password and name and someone hijacks your account don't blame paradox. I don't think it has anything to do with hacking.
I agree. It probably means that.
But just to avoid guessing games like this, it'd be better if it was further elaborated.
More than the example provided.
 

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I think it means if you give away your password and name and someone hijacks your account don't blame paradox. I don't think it has anything to do with hacking.
Considering that is illegal in the host country of these forums, Sweden, Paradox will still be liable to cooperate with the Swedish police in finding out who was reponsible for the theft of information through their forums, should it be reported to the police that is.
 

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Could someone point out the differences between the new and old versions? I've read this new version, but there could be something I missed that has changed.
What does it matter, as long as you have read these rules, they are the only ones that matter.
The old ones we had were just added to overtime in an adhoc way. For example there were about two and a half times as many rules, so when people say "basically the same rules" I take it as a complement.
 

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While I agree it would be nice to know what actually changed, it's not really relevant is it? What matters now is these rules, not how they used to be.

Other than that, I think, as someone else mentioned, it's more a matter of structuring? I read the old user agreement thoroughly, and there's nothing in this that strikes me as a big change.

EDIT: Ninja'ed by the admin :p But yeah, what he said :)
 

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I agree. It probably means that.
But just to avoid guessing games like this, it'd be better if it was further elaborated.
More than the example provided.
I will not respond to what ifs, we only make rulings in specific situations.
But lets not explore every nightmare situation, if someone hacks the board, I hardly think we are going to ban every member because their account was compromised. Despite what some of you may think we are reasonable people on the other end of the keyboard and we make rulings accordingly.

When society separates the law makers from the law enforcers, you need to spell things out very clearly so that the enforcers know what the law makers intention was. When the law maker and the law enforcers are the same, that margin of error does not exist.

I can tell you what our intention is, a Board where the vast vast majority of people can engage and talk about our games, in a friendly non hostile environment. The rules above are what our decade long experience running the forum tells us that we need to make it so.

Basically if you come to the board with good intent, are a reasonably good person, you will never even need to look at the rules because you would never break any.
 

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Well the thing is that with the old rules, we knew a lot more about how exactly they worked because in addition to the text, we could see the rules in action (though mods and admins), which essentially allowed plenty of clarifications on what was and wasn't allowed. But if it's essentially the same as before but shorter and clearer, then I guess there isn't much point to a detailed comparison.
 

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Could a moderator or administrator elaborate on the copyright issue please (rule #6)? My understanding is that ideas expressed on the forum can be used freely by Paradox staff for producing their products, etc., but to what degree does this hold for members who post original ideas for debate. For example, some of the more detailed AARs here could conceivably be turned into literary works (not mine of course, but some others are very good). Would anything bar the author from doing so? Of course, it would be a great courtesy if Paradox and forum users were thanked for contributing to the final product. And some of us here of a more academic bent do share our knowledge on a variety of subjects, some of which I am rather impressed by. Finally, a loaded question: who owns the mods? Ideas contained in mods have been in the past integrated into patches and expansions, and rightly so, but it makes me a bit nervous to share some of my ideas here, because (not the exact words I use here--that I admit is properly Paradox's property) but the ideas could find their way eventually into print. So please do clarify what Paradox Interactive actually means in as much detail as you find proper. Thank you.
I also would like to see some official statement about this. I wonder, if I make let's say a wallpaper with any game's theme (not using any Paradox materials) and post it here on forums, it becomes automatically a property of Paradox despite it is my work? What if I only link to that wallpaper hosted on another (media hosting) server? Will it remain mine in that case? I really don't know what to think about that paragraph...

PS: About the fact, who actually owns game modifications, I think this is regulated more by EULA of the respective games, not forum rules (this virtually makes all mods illegal).
 
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In the signature rule clarification I don´t see that posting an ordinary picture in your signature is forbidden (even if that it´s hinted that there only should be text).
Maybe there could be a good idea to make that more clear?
Maybe something like:
I) Your signature should not include any kind of pictures or other non text material?
 

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2. {Talk to staff by PM} You will not argue with, comment on or question the actions/authority/ or comments of the Paradox staff (Administrators, Moderators, etc.) in a public forum. Should you wish to do so you are directed to contact the Paradox staff via PM (the private messaging system - see “How to Contact Staff” below).
Respectful Question - please.

Most of the above is clear. Its the rule against us commenting on the comments of a Paradox staff that I would like clarified.

I understand if they are saying stop or that something is not permitted etc we should not comment on this.

But what happens when they are not in the disciplinary mode but in the discussion / announcement mode such as there is now a new feature, or the feature works as follows, or the following bug is fixed and we see it is not fixed. It would seem strange that we have to avoid referring to their post. Also we can't always send PMs in response as at least for me I can't PM Johan ( and I understand why he would not want to get 1000's of PMs) so are we allowed in the discussion / announcement context to comment on Paradox staff comments?

My intent is to comply to the rules and I don't want to be banned.
 
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