I got the extra 10,000 in the main update, and they appeared in the accompanying stats. In said main update I lost 10,000 troops. The math works perfectly, so how is this an issue? :huh:
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I got the extra 10,000 in the main update, and they appeared in the accompanying stats. In said main update I lost 10,000 troops. The math works perfectly, so how is this an issue? :huh:
We would love to have the Bavarians travel through our land on their canal.
King William III, Lord of the Lowlands.
King William III, Lord of the Lowlands.
We must respectfully disagree with the Austrians regarding the nationalities of Italy. While there are admittedly some differences in the cultures of Italy, especially regarding the North and the South, the differences between cities are no more than that of say, Tirol and Vienna.
An address from the King of France, the Honourable and Devout Louis-Philippe the First
It was perhaps noticed by all the politically knowledgeable peoples of the civilized world that for quite a long time no statement or official speech was given by any member of the Monarchy or any person who is suitable to represent it. World issues have arisen and fell around us, with not that great deal of a comment from the Crown. Wars have been started and blood was spilt, but France remained silent. We did so because of two main reasons, which we feel fully justify our temporary lack of opinion. Firstly, a quiet man will be able to hear more. Without rushing head on into sometimes scandalous foreign affairs we were able to truly see Europe as it is, and we are not joyful with what we have seen. Secondly, France is a large and populous Kingdom - It is full of events and happenings that are independent of foreign diplomacy, and it was those events that the whole force of the French ruling class was focused on. I am pleased to report that these efforts have barren excellent fruit, and that the French Kingdom is truly on a rapid path to industrialization. The more factories are built on our land the more jobs and wealth are created, thus improving the life of every Frenchman.
But going back to the somewhat chaotic international stage, we must state that the Kingdom of France seeks no quarrel or unnecessary war. We will protect our people and our lands from attacks, and we will also protect our interests across the globe, but we shall not stampede into a pointless war over a scrap of desert somewhere in a distant continent. France also sees no point in choosing sides in conflicts that have nothing to do with the wellbeing of the people – we simply do not have the necessary financial and military needs to wage wars over such trivial matters as South East Asia and the seemingly nonsensical Mexican war with the United States. We would like no nation to drag us into wars that will not benefit the greater being of this Kingdom. This, of course, does not stop us from having an opinion on the matter.
We would also like to kindly remind the so called “Emperor of the Great Qing” and the Lord of the Ten Thousand Years (Of constant self-admiration, perhaps) that his nation does not mean much on the international stage. In fact, it would seem that it means hardly anything at all. A son of some peculiar heaven which the Catholic Faith does not acknowledge, and the descendant of a line of Barbarians and Simple folk, he cannot treat the French King as if he was inferior to him. Such arrogance and egoism will not be tolerated in any person, let alone an uncivilized warmonger from the Far East. This does not mean we are breaking diplomatic relations completely; it is simply a suggestion for the Highest Heavenly Heathen, who seems lost in his ways and blinded by his temporary wealth and prestige.
Europe also seems to be filled with rulers who simply cannot grasp enough land and wealth. The recent alliances and treaties, nearly all of them signed by France’s immediate neighbours, seem rather threatening. The partitioning of Luxembourg and other states is simply unlawful and undiplomatic – not so long ago the Dutch were defending the Balance of Power with all their prowess and diplomatic means, but now they seem overly joyed to disturb it. The destruction of Luxembourg seems wholly unjustified and designated at provoking France.
Another thing that strongly worries both me and the average Frenchman is the aggressiveness and madness displayed by the despotic rulers of Mexico. They have not only continued their efforts to enslave the free people of Texas, but they have also desperately tried to grow their puny empire by the cost of the United States of America, whom they have thoughtlessly and ruthlessly attacked. We are sure that the Mexican armies shall soon shatter – with their current leadership being half mad, they have no chances of victory against the organized and motivated armies of the United States of America.
The last issue I shall refrain to is the most minor of them all – Viet Nam. The French simply do not care about the business of the Qing and their even less civilized neighbours, and we do not see it beneficial to us to get involved in feuds over such undesirable and foreign lands. We therefore will not be breaking any diplomatic relations with Viet Nam, and any envoy from that nation is welcome to France, as long as he does not seek to disturb our peace by trying to pull us into pointless wars.
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The Kingdom of Prussia
Know now that I speak on behalf of His Royal Majesty Friedrich Wilhelm III, by the Grace of God King of Prussia, Margrave of Brandenburg, Grand Duke of Luxembourg and of Posen, Duke of Silesia and of Pommerania, Prince of Neuchâtel, with many other titles besides.
The Kingdom of Prussia reminds its neighbor, the Kingdom of the French, that the title and territory comprising the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg were until very recently the complete and rightful possessions of the Kingdom of the Netherlands, and that affairs regarding the transfer of said title and territory to another sovereign are no concern of the King of the French. This transfer was effected following the representations by His Royal Majesty Friedrich Wilhelm III to the United Kingdom and the Netherlands regarding the rights of the German-speaking majority within the Grand Duchy's eastern half. By gifting this portion of Luxembourg, along with its ancient and respected crown, to the pre-eminent kingdom in North Germany, King William I has proven himself a great friend to both Prussia and to all Germans everywhere. He is to be respected for such a wise decision, not derided by some uninvolved third party.
Furthermore, the Kingdom of Prussia questions the King of the French's right to speak on behalf of God or the Kingdom of Heaven, given the base and popular source of the French king's authority. If the French wish to acclaim a ruler based on the will of the people, that is of course their affair, but it should be known that such a monarch does not enjoy God's grace and cannot speak on His behalf. We humbly suggest that the King of the French return his focus to temporal affairs and leave spiritual matters to the clergy and to those rulers so favored by the Lord.
~ Friedrich Ancillon, Foreign Minister
The Austrian Empire
We shall grant right of travel for the Bavarian cruising enterprise, and will send a suitable representative to join the Canal Cruise.
- State Chancellor of the Austrian Empire Prinz Klemens Wenzel Nepomuk Lothar, Fürst von Metternich-Winneburg zu Beilstein, acting on behalf of His Imperial and Royal Apostolic Majesty, Ferdinand I.
I would rather have been consulted at least for my view on the matter but I do not feel the situation is worth complaint. Though it is better to avoid continued land adjustments in western europe given the recent past, a problem is being resolved. I do hope this will be the end of the unpleasant mess in the low countries. Being Tsar does not prevent keeping an eye on the west, especially given what happened last time one nation grew too powerful.
The Kingdom of Bavaria thanks the Austrian Empire and the Kingdom of the Netherlands for the rights of travel and reminds the still remaining requests for the Kingdom of Prussia, the Ottoman Empire, the Grand Duchy of Hesse and the Free City of Frankfurt.
As King of Bavaria i hereby propose to the Bundestag of the German Confederation in Frankfurt to revoke the Carlsbad Decrees. These Decrees were signed in times of Revolution and Revolt, however with the new Treaty of Frankfurt, we see fit to now revoke them, as the German Question can and will now be solved in Frankfurt, and between the Sovereigns of the States, not by rebellion. Thus, we would be enlightened to see the University professors that were removed, as well as the Liberal thoughts return, as we think that they no longer pose a danger to the German Bund's States, but would rather be good for the Development of the Germanies.
As King of Bavaria i hereby propose to the Bundestag of the German Confederation in Frankfurt to revoke the Carlsbad Decrees. These Decrees were signed in times of Revolution and Revolt, however with the new Treaty of Frankfurt, we see fit to now revoke them, as the German Question can and will now be solved in Frankfurt, and between the Sovereigns of the States, not by rebellion. Thus, we would be enlightened to see the University professors that were removed, as well as the Liberal thoughts return, as we think that they no longer pose a danger to the German Bund's States, but would rather be good for the Development of the Germanies.
The Kingdom of Prussia
Know now that I speak on behalf of His Royal Majesty Friedrich Wilhelm III, by the Grace of God King of Prussia, Margrave of Brandenburg, Grand Duke of Luxemburg and of Posen, Duke of Silesia and of Pommerania, Prince of Neuchâtel, with many other titles besides.
We hereby grant the Kingdom of Bavaria permission to travel through the Prussian Rhineland on their canal cruise. Our Kingdom's heir, Crown Prince Friedrich Wilhelm, will join the cruise for the duration of its travel through Germany.
Regarding the proposed revocation of the Karlsbad Decrees, the Kingdom of Prussia feels that such discussion will be productive and beneficial to the German Confederation as a whole, though we believe it prudent to wait for final ratification of the Treaty of Frankfurt before advocating any particular position on the subject.
~ Count Karl Friedrich von Wylich und Lottum, Chief Minister
Declaration regarding Diplomatic Protocol as it Pertains to the Peripheral States
For as long as the Central State has existed, united in every aspect and divided only in war, there has been a single Son of Heaven. So it has been since the reign of the Qin, and so it has continued through to the reign of the Great Qing. This was the consensus of history and Heaven. For the former recorded no another claimant, and the latter rewarded the Celestial Emperor with the most prosperous dominion known to man. But now there arise rulers in the peripheral states who claim imperial status, and the realms of some of these claimants are vast indeed, though not as great as those of the Great Qing. And so the Imperial Court, ever receptive to foreign innovations, had cause to consider the assumptions of the past, and to scrutinise more closely the documents on which these assumptions rested. And so we employed the most dedicated scholars under Heaven, the most abject pupils of Master Kong, and the most enlightened historians of our time to labour on this consideration.
Is it not true that when the star of the Qin was ascendant in the East, it was also cast across the West? Is it not so that when the First Sovereign Emperor of the Qin unified the eastern states, so too did a kingdom conquer the western states and unite them? And was this state not recognised as a glorious reflection of Qin, and recorded in the histories as the Kingdom of the Great Qin? As such, is there not precedent for a peripheral state to emulate the grandeur of the Central State, and for its ruler to imitate the styles of the Son of Heaven?
Having been occupied on this question for many days, these scholars of the Imperial Court have produced the Theory of Imperial Symmetry. As the sun rises in the East and settles in the West, so too shall the Central State in the East cast a shadow of its likeness in the West. And this shadow state shall enjoy all the honours and rites of the Central State, and so exalt the Great Qing to even greater glory in its homage. This complimentary imperial lineage we trace from the King of the Great Qin, first of the barbarian rulers to aspire to our image. According to the History of the Later Han, in the Ninth Year of Han Xiaohe, the general Ban Chao dispatched an emissary by the name of Gan Ying to visit the court of the Great Qin. And so he crossed Anxi and reached as far as the great sea. Though he did not achieve his mission, he surveyed the realm of the Great Qin and determined their capital to be Antu. This city now lies in the realm of the Ottoman Turks, and their ruler indeed assumes the name of the Great Qin as it is known in the peripheral states. Having diligently traced this continuity, our scholars have authenticated the claims of the Ottoman Turks. As such, we hereby recognise their ruler as Emperor in the West, latest heir to the imperial heritage of the Great Qing, and latest scion of an ancient line.
~ His Imperial Majesty, the Emperor of the Great Qing, Son of Heaven, Lord of Ten Thousand Years
The Austrian Empire
We have heard rumours of a few outrageous statemets coming from the Qing. I must say, they showcase an insanity quite of its own, and it is indeed hard to decipher what they actually mean. The Opium addiction of most of the Qing court is quite evident, as how else could they be so deluded and make up so many incorrect facts? No matter, the Qing are uncivilised buffoons who think they are something on the international stage, arrogantly dealing out insults to every single state which is not them. We will leave this line of inquiry now and focus on more relevant matters.
- State Chancellor of the Austrian Empire Prinz Klemens Wenzel Nepomuk Lothar, Fürst von Metternich-Winneburg zu Beilstein, acting on behalf of His Imperial and Royal Apostolic Majesty, Ferdinand I.
It is known to our scholars that there exists within Christian sorcery a text known as the Proverbs of Solomon, and that of these proverbs, perhaps the most pertinent runs as follows: "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." Perhaps the King of the Austrians should do as the Emperor of the Great Qing does and look to the wisdom of his ancestors? Or perhaps if such studies are beyond his capacity, he might merely look north to the King of the Prussians and observe how an honourable sovereign conducts himself.
~ His Imperial Majesty, the Emperor of the Great Qing, Son of Heaven, Lord of Ten Thousand Years
~ His Imperial Majesty, the Emperor of the Great Qing, Son of Heaven, Lord of Ten Thousand Years
Following the insulting remarks towards Civilization by the Japanese dogs, the Kingdom of Sardinia-Piedmont hereby ceases diplomatic relations with the Qing. Maybe when you see your inferior status will we be able to negotiate with you barbarians.
The King of Sardinia Piedmont has been informed that the Qing are Chinese, rather than Japanese. He does not care at all, and could care less about the minor divisions between Barbarians.
The King of Sardinia Piedmont has been informed that the Qing are Chinese, rather than Japanese. He does not care at all, and could care less about the minor divisions between Barbarians.
((OOC: I'd like to point a few things out to the European players taking place in this ridiculous and entirely ahistorical exchange with China. The later parts may also be useful for anyone else who's found themselves in protracted arguments recently -- the Scandinavian players, for instance.
First of all, the arrogance and high-handedness of the Chinese emperors is not even remotely a new phenomenon and should not be treated as such, given that European trade with China has existed in one form or another since before the Black Death. The sovereigns of Europe generally had two approaches to dealing with China: either appointing an envoy who can indulge their massive sense of entitlement or, if they had no interest in pursuing Chinese trade, ignoring them entirely. The various imperial proclamations from China were considered of little consequence in European courts, if they even reached that far, given that their own massive sense of entitlement and arrogance frequently rivaled China's.
Secondly, if you believe yourself to be superior to someone, getting into a verbal slapfight is not the way to project that. If you truly consider China a backward, inferior nation, then don't even bother engaging them as equals. By getting visibly offended and devoting time to expressing how upset you are -- without actually imposing any consequences beyond telling the world how mean they are and saying you won't talk to them anymore -- you give them power over you, which is something that shouldn't happen if you actually don't care. Little dogs yip and snap at the slightest provocation because they're acting from a position of weakness and fear; big dogs don't bark unless they're moved to do so because they have actual strength to rely on.
Finally, you really want to consider how you're going to look to everyone else when you engage in a protracted complaint-fest like this, especially if you're using minimal IC in the process. Formal statements from a major power's government should carry weight and authority, not devolve into petty bickering. National prestige is a huge driving factor in this era, particularly in international relations, because it affects your citizens' respect for their government and other governments' respect for your country. Any statement that doesn't take into account its external perception is one that could be a major blow to your prestige and relations with other countries. Keld has already proven willing to translate particularly ill-conceived posts into negative effects for your country, so it's something to consider even if you only care about the numbers game.
That's just my $3.87 on the subject; do with it what you like.))
First of all, the arrogance and high-handedness of the Chinese emperors is not even remotely a new phenomenon and should not be treated as such, given that European trade with China has existed in one form or another since before the Black Death. The sovereigns of Europe generally had two approaches to dealing with China: either appointing an envoy who can indulge their massive sense of entitlement or, if they had no interest in pursuing Chinese trade, ignoring them entirely. The various imperial proclamations from China were considered of little consequence in European courts, if they even reached that far, given that their own massive sense of entitlement and arrogance frequently rivaled China's.
Secondly, if you believe yourself to be superior to someone, getting into a verbal slapfight is not the way to project that. If you truly consider China a backward, inferior nation, then don't even bother engaging them as equals. By getting visibly offended and devoting time to expressing how upset you are -- without actually imposing any consequences beyond telling the world how mean they are and saying you won't talk to them anymore -- you give them power over you, which is something that shouldn't happen if you actually don't care. Little dogs yip and snap at the slightest provocation because they're acting from a position of weakness and fear; big dogs don't bark unless they're moved to do so because they have actual strength to rely on.
Finally, you really want to consider how you're going to look to everyone else when you engage in a protracted complaint-fest like this, especially if you're using minimal IC in the process. Formal statements from a major power's government should carry weight and authority, not devolve into petty bickering. National prestige is a huge driving factor in this era, particularly in international relations, because it affects your citizens' respect for their government and other governments' respect for your country. Any statement that doesn't take into account its external perception is one that could be a major blow to your prestige and relations with other countries. Keld has already proven willing to translate particularly ill-conceived posts into negative effects for your country, so it's something to consider even if you only care about the numbers game.
That's just my $3.87 on the subject; do with it what you like.))
OOC: Meh, they called the Ottomans a successor of Rome! As "rightful" successor to Rome (through HRE), that is doubleplusungood. 
Anyways, more relevant, since I won't be responding to the Qing: I did not even directly address you.
Anyways, more relevant, since I won't be responding to the Qing: I did not even directly address you.
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((OOC: The reason I have ignored China. For now I don't see a need in talking with them so wont indulge the great and mighty awesome that is the qing emperor. Though it is fine rp, my ic stance is to ignore until such time as I have the need to contact again.))
I'd suggest that some of the rhetoric is toned down a notch.
Also Orders are due tomorrow at 11:59pm CST (GMT -6) or 29 hours and 30 minutes.
Also Orders are due tomorrow at 11:59pm CST (GMT -6) or 29 hours and 30 minutes.