[Forum Game] The World in 1866

[BlackCrown]

Prussia is more than willing to back down on its ultimatum, for it has already accomplished what was needed. We chose to release this ultimatum to remind all present of the gravity of what we are discussing, and we are pleased to see that has been the case. On the terms of the newly proposed treaty, we find ourselves unable to agree with its terms. We would like to propose some new amendments to the treaties.

To the proposed second clause, stating that we must recognize the hegemony of Austria over all member states, we propose another term.
2. Prussia and Austria recognize member states of the German Confederation as jointly under both nation's hegemony, and seize attempts to bring member states solely under their own influence.

The proposed first and third clauses of the treaty are unacceptable as is, and we wish for them to be amended and merged so.
1. Both Prussia and Austria are henceforth forbidden from setting foreign policy, diplomatic deals, or mobilizing their army, with any nation outside of the Confederation, without express approval from both the President and Deputy-President of the German Confederation, as well as a majority approval by a diet of member states.

We are willing to cede the fourth clause to Austria under the condition that Prussian troops to be allowed to garrison themselves at the same strategic points.

We would also like to propose a 9th clause.
9. A Diet of all Confederation member states is to be held in March, 1867 to discuss the reorganization of the German Confederation.

Let it be remembered that both Austria and Prussia are brother nations, and it would tear the heart of His Majesty Wilhelm for us to go to war. The German Confederation was formed out of Prussia and Austria banding together, a tradition that His Majesty wishes to keep. It is with this in mind that I hope these new amendments are acceptable to all present.

-Foreign Minister of Prussia, Otto Von Bismark​

 

[BlackCrown]

((I have orders from everyone except @cpm4001 and @QingChina31 . Are you still interested in playing? And if so, could you submit orders?))

 

[Adamgerd]

Austria is pleased to see Prussia back down on it's ultimatum. However we're less pleased about some of their treaties more extreme features.

Firstly, some of the terms operate on that Prussia and Austria have equal rights and footing. However, Austria's policy and the structure of the German confederation is that Prussia is 2nd, protected by Austria from foreign aggression and Austria is the dominant one. Thus, we have more rights, but also more responsibilities as the Elder German Brother. Our nation was born before Prussia and protected Prussia from it's birth along with other German states from foreign aggressors and enemies. We helped Prussians against Napoleonic France, rebelling ourselves to help them. In return, we were the Emperor of the HRE and now the president of the German confederation having more rights, but also the moral responsibility to protect fellow German brothers from foreign aggressor'ss. We can however agree to the 9th clause and also amended several other clauses. and to show our increased responsibilities, add a 10th clause.
Below is our modified treaty with some concessions to Prussia granted.

1. The Kingdom of Prussia, henceforth Prussia, is to be forbidden from setting foreign policy, alliances, or any other diplomatic deals with any member outside the Confederation, without permission from the President of the German Confederation, or a majority approval of the diet of member states vetoing the President.
2. Prussia recognizes Austrian hegemony over all member states of the Confederation and seizes attempts to bring them under its own sphere of influence (with the exclusion of Schleswig-Holstein).
3. The mobilization of any Prussian forces requires express permission from the President of the German Confederation, unless expressly in a defensive war/or in a war with a foreign power. However Prussia can have a defensive force of a limit (to be discussed later) for defensive purposeless
4. In order to see peace kept inside the Confederation, troops of the Austrian Empire, henceforth Austria, shall be allowed to garrison themselves at key points of strategic interest in Prussian territory without Prussian interference. However Prussia can garrison these same areas with their limited defensive force
5. In return for the acceptance of these terms, Austria cedes the duchy Schleswig-Holstein to be administered as a autonomous state of Prussia until the date of the Referendum
6. Any violation of any of the above by either party shall be responded to with a declaration of war from all parties present
7. Schleswig-Holstein will be subjected to a local referendum on whether to be under the rule of Prussia or the rule of the Kingdom of Denmark (This election will be monitored by an international committee of Austria, Ottomans, France and Italy to keep any voting fraud to the minimum). The Local vote's date is to be determined at a later date and it will take place separately in the 3 main regions (Holstein, Southern Schleswig and Northern Schleswig).
8. The King of Prussia shall assume the position of Deputy-President of the German Confederation.
9. A Diet of all Confederation member states is to be held 6 months after the end of the conference to discuss the status and/or possible reorganization of the German Confederation.
10. Austria in return guarantees all German States part of the German confederation from foreign aggression.

-Foreign Minister of the Austrian Empire, Alexander von Mensdorff-Pouilly

 

[BlackCrown]

We thank the Austrians for their willingness to compromise, and believe that this newly proposed rendition of the treaty shows few want war in Europe. However, the terms of the first and third clauses still bring our people worry. They are terms that would be forced upon one who lost a war, not those who are trying to prevent it. Unless you compromise fully or get rid of them we shall no be able to accept this treaty.
-Foreign Minister of Prussia, Otto Von Bismarck​

 

[Adamgerd]

We also thank the Prussians for their concession. However Clauses 1 and 3 are to guarantee the German confederation's security and Prussia's attitude to the German Confederation borders near hostile. How can we believe Prussia does not want and how can we trust Prussia to not attack the German Confederation, when Otto Von Bismark, Prussia's foreign minister remarked several times about Prussia's wish to disband the confederation. Clause 1 also does make an exception that a Diet of member states could veto the president allow Prussia to set it's foreign policies, etc. if this is seen as not violating the German Confederation. Austria, if it suits Prussia can make a similar exception for Clause 3. However the Austrian government sacrificed several clauses for the sake of peace. Yet, Prussia stubbornly insists on a peace similar to it's original, granting in comparison only a few concessions. This coupled with Prussia's quickness to issue Ultimatum makes Austria further distrust whether Prussia's wanting of a just and fair peace is genuine or they just give us a peace offer we can not accept knowing, that it puts the security of the German confederation at risk. And isn't the security of the German Confederation guaranteeing the stability of Europe? However Austria gives one last attempt to secure peace and if Prussia doesn't agree to this treaty, then for a general voting on the treaty/treaties by all delegates.

Our one concession can be:

1. The Kingdom of Prussia, henceforth Prussia, is to be forbidden from setting foreign policy, alliances, or any other diplomatic deals with any member outside the Confederation, without permission from the President of the German Confederation, or a majority approval of the diet of member states vetoing the President.
2. Prussia recognizes Austrian hegemony over all member states of the Confederation and seizes attempts to bring them under its own sphere of influence (with the exclusion of Schleswig-Holstein).
3. The mobilization of any Prussian forces requires express permission from the President of the German Confederation, unless expressly in a defensive war/or in a war with a foreign power/or a majority approval of the diet of member states vetoing the President. However Prussia can have a defensive force of a limit (to be discussed later) for defensive purposeless
4. In order to see peace kept inside the Confederation, troops of the Austrian Empire, henceforth Austria, shall be allowed to garrison themselves at key points of strategic interest in Prussian territory without Prussian interference. However Prussia can garrison these same areas with their limited defensive force
5. In return for the acceptance of these terms, Austria cedes the duchy Schleswig-Holstein to be administered as a autonomous state of Prussia until the date of the Referendum
6. Any violation of any of the above by either party shall be responded to with a declaration of war from all parties present
7. Schleswig-Holstein will be subjected to a local referendum on whether to be under the rule of Prussia or the rule of the Kingdom of Denmark (This election will be monitored by an international committee of Austria, Ottomans, France and Italy to keep any voting fraud to the minimum). The Local vote's date is to be determined at a later date and it will take place separately in the 3 main regions (Holstein, Southern Schleswig and Northern Schleswig).
8. The King of Prussia shall assume the position of Deputy-President of the German Confederation.
9. A Diet of all Confederation member states is to be held 6 months after the end of the conference to discuss the status and/or possible reorganization of the German Confederation.
10. Austria in return guarantees all German States part of the German confederation from foreign aggression.

-Foreign Minister of the Austrian Empire, Alexander von Mensdorff-Pouilly

 

[BlackCrown]

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Spoiler: Treaty of Paris 1866

1. The Kingdom of Prussia, henceforth Prussia, is to be forbidden from setting foreign policy, alliances, or any other diplomatic deals with any member outside the Confederation, without permission from the President of the German Confederation, or a majority approval of the diet of member states vetoing the President.
2. Prussia recognizes Austrian hegemony over all member states of the Confederation and seizes attempts to bring them under its own sphere of influence (with the exclusion of Schleswig-Holstein).
3. The mobilization of any Prussian forces requires express permission from the President of the German Confederation, unless expressly in a defensive war/or in a war with a foreign power/or a majority approval of the diet of member states vetoing the President. However Prussia can have a defensive force of a limit (to be discussed later) for defensive purposeless
4. In order to see peace kept inside the Confederation, troops of the Austrian Empire, henceforth Austria, shall be allowed to garrison themselves at key points of strategic interest in Prussian territory without Prussian interference. However Prussia can garrison these same areas with their limited defensive force
5. In return for the acceptance of these terms, Austria cedes the duchy Schleswig-Holstein to be administered as a autonomous state of Prussia until the date of the Referendum
6. Any violation of any of the above by either party shall be responded to with a declaration of war from all parties present
7. Schleswig-Holstein will be subjected to a local referendum on whether to be under the rule of Prussia or the rule of the Kingdom of Denmark (This election will be monitored by an international committee of Austria, Ottomans, France and Italy to keep any voting fraud to the minimum). The Local vote's date is to be determined at a later date and it will take place separately in the 3 main regions (Holstein, Southern Schleswig and Northern Schleswig).
8. The King of Prussia shall assume the position of Deputy-President of the German Confederation.
9. A Diet of all Confederation member states is to be held 6 months after the end of the conference to discuss the status and/or possible reorganization of the German Confederation.
10. Austria in return guarantees all German States part of the German confederation from foreign aggression.

-Foreign Minister of the Austrian Empire, Alexander von Mensdorff-Pouilly

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We suppose that it is in the interests of peace, that we accept these terms. We look forward to the conference in six months time and will bring up some points of National concern. May God be with the Confederation.

[X] Foreign Minister of Prussia, Otto Von Bismarck
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[Adamgerd]

The Austrian Empire is indeed happy that Prussia decided to agree to a just treaty in the interests of peace and welcomes Prussia fully back into the German Confederation and King Wilhelm I of Prussia as the Vice President of the German Confederation. We also look to the future stability of the German Federation and welcome the conference in 6 months time with the German Diet to discuss potential issues by all sides and keep the confederation stable and strong in the years to come.

May God be with the Confederation
-Foreign Minister of the Austrian Empire, Alexander von Mensdorff-Pouilly

 

[Revan529]

Empire Français
Partant pour la Syrie​

It is good and excellent that this matter has been resolved peaceably. Gentlemen, His Imperial Majesty sends his thanks for your hard work, and congratulates all of you for this great success in maintaining peace upon the Continent.

Let this compromise, long debated and carefully considered, serve as the foundation upon which stability in the Confederation and across the entirety of Europe be built upon, and may both the Emperor of Austria and the King of Prussia rest easily knowing that their realms, Germanic brothers, shall remain in fidelic peace.

With the German Question answered, it seems only fitting to draw the Paris Conference to well-deserved close.

~ Édouard Drouyn de Lhuys, Minister of Foreign Affairs for the French Empire

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[Adamgerd]

The Austrian Empire has decided to transfer control of Venice to Italy over a period of 3 years, slowly transferring control to the Italian authorities, in the interest of peace and in light of the recent rioting, in return for no interference in each sphere and a not legally-binding NAP. All citizens wishing to stay in Italy have 3 years to stay in Austria. Both countries have agreed to give minority status to the respective minority. This treaty has been proposed by the Austrian Empire and ratified by the Italian Kingdom.

-Foreign Minister of the Austrian Empire, Alexander von Mensdorff-Pouilly

 

[Adamgerd]

The Austrian Empire with the German Conference finished, now looks at other matters. Austria finds it regrettable that Korea decided to execute several French Bishops in Korea on a negotiate mission. Aulthough Austria cautions France to not respond too harshly and so force Korea to ally Russia (although n the current geo-politics, it is unikely), Austria does agree with the French and strongly condemns Korea for this massacre against France and the Holy Church. Austria agrees with the French demand that Korea recompenses for these vile acts and tells France that if it accepts, several volunteers will be transferred to France, to be incorporated into the French army for the period of the Korean conflict as an "German division" taught by German speaking generals to be transported to the Pacific Sqadron to help France

-Foreign Minister of the Austrian Empire, Alexander von Mensdorff-Pouill

 

[BlackCrown]

The Prisoner in the Vatican

Pope Pious IX, "The Prisoner in the Vatican"​

April 21, 1866 started off as a non-descript day in the region of Latium, the peasants going about their day, French Soldiers making their rounds, and the Pope himself overseeing it all. However, the day would soon turned bloody. As the Sun drew to its peak, hundreds of armed Pan-Italian rebels marched through the streets of Rome, declaring Rome part of Italy. Though French soldiers attempted to negotiate a peace with the men, they quickly broke down. Within the hour, Rome had turned into a battleground, with the militia quickly advancing onto a breaking enemy. As French soldiers were pushed back, the citizens of Rome turned to the militia, with every man, woman, and child joining in the fight. The battle lasted for ten long arduous days, with both sides suffering the loss of several hundred men, and every street was soaked in blood. However, eventually France was forced to retreat, and the Italian flag flew over the fallen city of Rome. Having been captured during an escape attempt on the fifth day of the battle, Pope Pius IX was captive to the rebels, as well as much of the former Papal administration. Restricted to the former Vatican and constantly watched by a militia guard, the Papacy’s every move was controlled by the rebels. As the Italian government prepares to deal with it’s newly acquired territories, and their consequences, political observers have cynically renamed the Pope to “The Prisoner in the Vatican.” With Rome now under Italian control, many throughout the country demand Rome to be instated as the Italian capital. The Papal States Are Annexed Into Italy

The rebellion also served one more purpose in the grand scheme of the world. It served as the end of the stable European peace, and instead ushered in a new era. An era historians have romanticized as “The Years of Revolution.”

(I'll try to get some more of the revolts out later today. Sorry for any lackluster quality)

 

[Rapop101]

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With the latest event that has occurred on the Italian peninsula, the Kingdom of Italy has come up with a solution for peace that will be acceptable to all sides.

With the majority of the population in the papal states joining the revolt, men, women and even children we shall incorporate the state into the Italian Kingdom officially, though at the moment we shall not move the capital as we are still thinking about where to move it to.

With the Pope being displaced we have a solution to keep him independent from the Kingdom of Italy. The pope shall have his own independent state within the confines of the Vatican city where he shall be able with the rest of Papacy act independently from all countries and act as a neutral mediator for the catholic faith. Though to protect the Papacy, we shall guarantee the Independence of the Vatican city and deploy a small division within it, to garrison it and keep the Pope and the rest of the papacy safe.

 

[BlackCrown]

The Third Carlist Civil War

Carlist rebels execute captured Spaniards​

The previous year had seen much damage done to Carlist sympathisers, the Spanish government having unleashed a nationwide purge and exile to Hispaniola, far from the Spanish throne. However, those who remained in hiding only strengthened their resolve to overthrow the tumultuous Spanish monarchy and government, discontent breeding amongst their ranks. Under the guise of seeking out employment, Carlists moved to the unpolished jewel in the Spanish crown, the industrializing Basque, a long-time center for the Carlist movement. As Pan nationalists stormed Rome in the Italian Peninsula, the Carlists put their plan to work. On April 25, Carlists stormed local garrisons and armories in the Basque region overpowering the local guards through sheer number. Arming themselves, they quickly seized local factories from Spanish loyalists as well as securing factories owned by Carlist capitalists themselves, halting much of the Spanish economy. Though many attempts were made to retake the region, Spanish forces were unable to break through rebel lines, further wasting scarce military resources.

Spanish Forces are Pushed Back By Attacking Carlists at the Battle of Alsasua​

Despite their failed attempts to defeat the rebels, the Spanish were able to prevent their expansion throughout the country and put down many other insurrections throughout the year. As the year closed both sides are drawn to a stalemate, however, with a sluggish Spanish economy, Spanish advisers fear that the costly war may permanently scar the Spanish economy and ambitions.

 

[Revan529]

Empire Français
Partant pour la Syrie​

His Imperial Majesty is appalled by the actions that have taken place in Rome, and His Government echoes such sentiments. We demand that those who murdered French soldiers be brought to justice, that their families and the Empire as a whole be compensated, and that the Italian Government issue an immediate apology for this - they were, after all, the prime beneficiaries of this, and have as of yet made no mention of the French soldiers slain in the defence of His Holiness.

Furthermore, the occupation of a sovereign territory guaranteed by His Imperial Majesty is similarly an unacceptable act, however one may wish to paint it. Sympathetic as we are to the notion of Italian unity, we can nonetheless express our extreme displeasure in regards to this measure.

Regarding the Papacy itself, we demand that this illegal, invading militia be disbanded, His Holiness liberated, and that negotiations regarding the future of Rome begin at once.

~ Édouard Drouyn de Lhuys, Minister of Foreign Affairs for the French Empire

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[Rapop101]

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The Italian Kingdom shall of course re compensate the families of those French soldiers killed and we shall repay the French nation for any expenses that they lost. That's why we now issue an apology to the French nation and to Pope Pius himself for the loss of life and the tragedy that occurred, while we hoped that the region would have joined us peacefully, it seems that the people of the nation thought differently.

The Militia has already been disbanded, primarily made up of the average person from the area they have gone back to living there normal life. The Militia has been replaced by Italian troops guarding the region and trying to restore order and protect what ever French Troops that are still left in the area. His Holiness Pope Pius and the rest of the papacy is currently safe in the Vatican and will continue to be.

Though we off course accept negotiations to happen soon, and would be more than happy to host them in Florence. Though due to a popular revolt and the people of the area wishing to remain in our nation, we will fight for that right and we will not accept the area of Latium being once more given to the Papal states.

 

[Adamgerd]

The Austrian Empire decides to attend the potential negotiations in Florence as Austria is a catholic nations and it's people ask for it. Austria also goes to help ensure a just and fair resolution between France, Papal States and Italy

-Foreign Minister of the Austrian Empire, Alexander von Mensdorff-Pouilly

 

[Guaire123456789]

we ask for help to the civilized nations of the world, the liberal government and defender of human rights in our country is in danger, all nations that consider themselves protector of the human rights shuld help us to defeat the carlist .
The Carlists are a danger no only to our nation, they are dangerous reaccionaries and ultracatolics and they only would need to find a reason to invade a country to do. we espect that the civilized nation help us to defeat the carlst and erradicate the of the earth.

Lorenzo Arrazola. Minister of foreign affair of Spain

 

[Adamgerd]

The Austrian Empire currently shares with the French sentiment of appalled at the massacre of France soldiers and sees their claim for reparation as just. As well as this, Austria worries about the sovereignty and independence of the pope. Although Austria recognizes that the majority of the citizens want to unite with Italy and that Italy won't surrender Latium without a fight, Austria as well wishes for negotiations and wants the Papal States to at least have an sovereign enclave in Italy and reject any proposal where the Pope would be de facto under Italian control. Thus Austria also argues for Italians to not guard the perimeter, but instead Switzerland, which is neutral in disputes and so would act as a neutral mediator. Austria agrees with Italy to guarantee the independence of the Papal States (covering an region TBD) and also does so. Austria would like to discuss the size of the enclave in the Italian Conference and the size of Italian reparations to France in proportion to the crime committed by the rebels of which they were the prime beneficiaries. Austria welcomes the Italian news of the conference and the disbandment of the militia. Austria understands as was stated earlier, that the majority of people want to unite with Italy and forcing the reversal to pre-italian rebels borders would result in a war with Italy and so decides to uphold the Papal sovereignty but concedes that it would be unfeasible to reverse the borders to pre-roman rebellion.

-Foreign Minister of the Austrian Empire, Alexander von Mensdorff-Pouilly

 

[Fire and Ash]

The Kingdom of Sweden

The Kingdom of Sweden & Norway is shocked by the actions of the Kingdom of Italy. Conflict so narrowly avoided in Europe once, cannot be allowed to threaten the fragile peace just born. We will back any side that will bring an end to the violence in Italy and reparations to the French government. We ask the following:

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• Italy will provide reparations to the French Government in an amount to be decided between the French and Italian Governments.
• Italy will enforce an immediate withdrawal of armed forces from Rome for a period of three months. During this time a force of Swiss soldiers will be used to ensure the peace.
• Austria and Italy should stop the transfer of the Venetian territories until an agreement is reached.
• The Papal hostages will be released and allowed to return to the Vatican holdings.

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As a nation that has faced opposition in forming it's very identity, we share the bond of many in Italy in one day reaching a cultural destiny. One people with one goal. It is a dream held in Scandinavia. A united brotherhood of Scandinavians may one day join together and enjoy the union that Italy is close to achieving. The birth of such a union should not come from violence, less it's future be set by it.

- King Charles XV of Sweden & Norway
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[Rapop101]

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To address both the Austrian and Swedish proposals, we welcome both of them to the conference in Florence and any other nations wishing to join can of course come.

For both proposals, we believe that the enclave should be the Vatican city in its entirety and would give the Vatican its full independence. Also Sweden saying that the papacy is hostages is frankly wrong, the entire papacy has already been let free and is in the Vatican city to be safe from the local angry populace. We will also be happy to withdraw troops from Rome except for the bare minimum to keep order to wait for Swiss soldiers.

We Hope that the conference will come to a quick and decisive end so that all nations can progress as normal.