[Forum Game] - Commonwealth in Chaos

[Dadarian]

OOC:Well in such an event what I would suggest if he wants to get a foreigner on the throne, he won't have to use his personal wealth, but rather the money of his foreign backer and thus bribe the nobility that way.

((I think alot of people have issues that they have historical characters with neither title nor money. My character was the third largest landowner in Poland, however I start out the same as a country bumpkin from the Eastern Fringes. It makes bribes for a guy with 105 clout no better then a bribe for a guy with 60 clout, and removes alot of the historical barriers between people.))

 

[Imperator1993]

((I think alot of people have issues that they have historical characters with neither title nor money. My character was the third largest landowner in Poland, however I start out the same as a country bumpkin from the Eastern Fringes. It makes bribes for a guy with 105 clout no better then a bribe for a guy with 60 clout, and removes alot of the historical barriers between people.))

OOC:I understand but the reasoning for this is, I don't want anyone else to have a massive advantage over everyone else just as the game starts, its all for the sake of balance. However if you all wish I can change the stats to reflect more historical starts.

 

[Dadarian]

OOC:I understand but the reasoning for this is, I don't want anyone else to have a massive advantage over everyone else just as the game starts, its all for the sake of balance. However if you all wish I can change the stats to reflect more historical starts.

((I dunno about others, but from what I've been sensing that'd be appreciated.

Also, IRC is a good friend Imperator, even if on for 10 minutes.))

 

[Bialaska]

OOC:I understand but the reasoning for this is, I don't want anyone else to have a massive advantage over everyone else just as the game starts, its all for the sake of balance. However if you all wish I can change the stats to reflect more historical starts.

((OOC: It's not so much that some players have an advantage over others, more how there was nothing to barter from the beginning. I mean if each player started with 100 estates, then the king could have made some under the table deals giving 5 estates to one, 8 estates to another, etc. So that rather than an empty title, those bribed would actually gain something from it. And the Jews who were not allowed to hold lands, would instead have their banking, where they'd have money they could use to bribe, which could then be used by the electors to bribe.))

 

[Imperator1993]

((OOC: It's not so much that some players have an advantage over others, more how there was nothing to barter from the beginning. I mean if each player started with 100 estates, then the king could have made some under the table deals giving 5 estates to one, 8 estates to another, etc. So that rather than an empty title, those bribed would actually gain something from it. And the Jews who were not allowed to hold lands, would instead have their banking, where they'd have money they could use to bribe, which could then be used by the electors to bribe.))

OOC: Okay, I have to work tonight but when I get home I'll do some research and make the necessary changes to reflect more historical standings.

 

[tonkatoy5]

((I agree that if a player takes a historical character then they should take their place and gain all of their holdings. Also you should revise the rules with things like you can only have one Voivoldship and some other things, if you can get on IRC we can even help you revise the game.))

 

[Imperator1993]

((I agree that if a player takes a historical character then they should take their place and gain all of their holdings. Also you should revise the rules with things like you can only have one Voivoldship and some other things, if you can get on IRC we can even help you revise the game.))

OOC: I tried to get on the channel and I kept getting an error.

 

[tonkatoy5]

OOC: I tried to get on the channel and I kept getting an error.

((Are you trying the flash or java client? Try the flash client, and what is the error?))

 

[Imperator1993]

((Are you trying the flash or java client? Try the flash client, and what is the error?))

OOC: I'm using Flash and its error #2048.

 

[alexander23]

OOC: i know the error, mean you gotta turn off your pc and may fix it...maybe a couple times XC

 

[Imperator1993]

The Coronation of King Jakub I Ludwik Sobieski

The son of the deceased King Jan III Sobieski, Jakub ascended the throne of the Commonwealth after being elected by the nobility. Some whisper that he is attempting to found a dynasty and establish absolutism in the Commonwealth. Now that he is the rightfully elected King, it is up to Sobieski to reign over the Commonwealth, but he must remember as King his postion is not absolute and most power belongs with the Sejm.

All stats have been upgraded to be more historical and new types of Estates have been added. The first Orders will be due, Midnight Wednesday EST.

 

[Dadarian]

((Looks good to me, thanks Imperator))

The House of Krasiński welcomes and congradulates the new King of the Commonwealth, King Jakub I Ludwik Sobieski, Long may he Reign!.

Thank you for your time.

~ Voivode Jan Dobrogost Krasiński of Płock, Royal Colonel & Recorder of the Crown

 

[Bialaska]

The Princes of Lubomorski congratulates Jakub I Ludwik Sobieski, King of the Commonwealth. Also my wife, Theofilia Ludwika, congratulate her Royal Cousin on his inheritance.

Signed,

Józef Karol Lubomirski, Prince of the Holy Roman Empire, owner of Dubno, Wiśnicz, Tarnów and Zesław, administrator of the Ostrogski Ordination

 

[m.equitum]

The House of Sieniawski sends our congratulations to His Majesty and Excellency the King of Poland and Grand-Duke of Lithuania, our beloved ruler, Jakub I Ludwik Sobieski, on his rightful election to the throne of the Commonwealth.

I look forward, with great anticipation, to Your Majesty's long and enlightened reign, much akin to the fondly remembered tenure of Your late father.

Confident in Your Majesty’s capable judgement, I make no request for a position in the State Administration or the Royal Household, but were I called upon to serve the Union in whatever manner Your Majesty sees fit, I would gladly render such service to my fullest capacity.

Adam Mikołaj Sieniawski​

 

[Spectre17]

I thank the nobility of our glorious Commonwealth for their support of myself for the position of King of Poland and Grand Duke of Lithuania. I hope to serve the Commonwealth with honor and ensure it may prosper. I would also like to announce my appointments of both the various Vovoidships and the Officers of the State.

Vovoidship of Warsaw: James Louis Sobieski
Army of Warsaw James Louis Sobieski
Vovoidship of Krakow: Bronomir Krzysztof Gorski
Army of Galicia: Bronomir Krzysztof Gorski
Grand Marshall of the Crown: Klaudiusz Virgiliu Lazar
Grand Marshall of Lithuania: Jerzy Astikai
Grand Chancellor of the Crown: Andrzej Rafał Sokoloff
Grand Chancellor of Lithuania: Jan Gozordski
Grand Treasurer of the Crown: Issachar Berend Lehmann
Grand Treasurer of Lithuania: Vacant
Vovoidship of Sandomierz: Henri Louis Valois
Vovoidship of Plock: Jan Dobrogost Krasiński
Army of Minsk: Andrzej Rafał Sokoloff
Army of Poznan: Casimir Sigismund Wasa
Vovoidship of Wolynskie: Józef Karol Lubomirski
Army of Courland: Adam Mikołaj Sieniawski
Vovoidship of Poznan:Casimir Sigismund Wasa
Vovoidship of Brest-Litovsk: Lech Franciszek Czacki
Vovoidship of Leczvca: Stanisław Sułkowski

I also announce that Andrzej Rafał Sokoloff will be granted 10,000 Zloty by the Crown to allow him to further improve the Army of Minsk and that Henri Louis Valois will be granted a Large Estate in Sandomierz.

~His Royal Majesty, James Louis Sobieski, King of Poland, Grand Duke of Lithuania, Prince of Olawa

OOC: I think I've given everyone in the game something except for the Prussian and the Pagan. If I've forgotten something send me a PM or tell me on IRC and I'll add it.

 

[Bialaska]

To his Majesty, Jakub I Ludwik Sobieski, of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth king.

I hereby ask your Majesty to reconsider his grant of the Voivodeship of Ruskie to me, and instead will grant me the Voivodeship of Wolynskie. I hold the Ordynacja Ostrogska, the largest estate within the Commonwealth, consisting of more than a third of the Wolynskie Voivodeship.

Józef Karol Lubomirski, Prince of the Holy Roman Empire

 

[Bialaska]

(OOC: Not sure my stats are that historical. House Lubomirski's economic foundation were based upon massive salt mines in the province of Krakow (manufactory?) and they later opened up more mines. Their income from their salt mines they used to start loaning out money to even the richest families (banking). Those unable to pay their debts had their properties taken (Estates). Around 1650 they were the third richest family in Poland-Lithuania (and the Deluge cost the Radziwill much of their wealth in 1660), leaving only the Ostrog as their competitors for the title of the richest family, through them holding the Ostrog Ordination.

Theofilia Zasławski became the only heir to the Ostrog and thereby the Ostrog Ordination. This ordination was the largest one in the Volhynia, accounting for 11,000 square kilometres (4,200 sq mi) – about a third of the Volhynian Voivodeship – with over 1,000 settlements, including several dozen towns. As a result of her marriage to Josef Karol Lubomirski, the large landed estates of the Ostrogski Ordination were transferred to the Lubomirski family. The combined fortune of Zasławskis and Lubomirskis would become for a time the largest fortune in the Commonwealth.)

 

[Imperator1993]

(OOC: Not sure my stats are that historical. House Lubomirski's economic foundation were based upon massive salt mines in the province of Krakow (manufactory?) and they later opened up more mines. Their income from their salt mines they used to start loaning out money to even the richest families (banking). Those unable to pay their debts had their properties taken (Estates). Around 1650 they were the third richest family in Poland-Lithuania (and the Deluge cost the Radziwill much of their wealth in 1660), leaving only the Ostrog as their competitors for the title of the richest family, through them holding the Ostrog Ordination.

Theofilia Zasławski became the only heir to the Ostrog and thereby the Ostrog Ordination. This ordination was the largest one in the Volhynia, accounting for 11,000 square kilometres (4,200 sq mi) – about a third of the Volhynian Voivodeship – with over 1,000 settlements, including several dozen towns. As a result of her marriage to Josef Karol Lubomirski, the large landed estates of the Ostrogski Ordination were transferred to the Lubomirski family. The combined fortune of Zasławskis and Lubomirskis would become for a time the largest fortune in the Commonwealth.)

OOC:I'll look into it but it will have to wait since I have to work today.

 

[Spectre17]

To his Majesty, Jakub I Ludwik Sobieski, of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth king.

I hereby ask your Majesty to reconsider his grant of the Voivodeship of Ruskie to me, and instead will grant me the Voivodeship of Wolynskie. I hold the Ordynacja Ostrogska, the largest estate within the Commonwealth, consisting of more than a third of the Wolynskie Voivodeship.

Józef Karol Lubomirski, Prince of the Holy Roman Empire

I hereby grant your request and appoint you Vovoide of Wolynskie.

~His Royal Majesty, James Louis Sobieski, King of Poland, Grand Duke of Lithuania, Prince of Olawa

 

[m.equitum]

A letter to His Majesty King Jakub I Ludwik Sobieski ​

The opportunity to serve the Crown of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth is a high honour, and I am most grateful to His Majesty for the appointment as Commander of the Army of Courland.

Having journeyed from Sieniawski Palace in the south, to the Baltic frontier, I was surprised to discover, upon my arrival, that the Army of Courland was in disarray.

The infantry are a ragtag band of vagrants who seem to know nothing of military discipline. The artillery division is no better. So poor was their training that when issuing the customary gun salute to signal my arrival, the artillerymen had loaded their cannon with live ammunition. It is perhaps fortunate that their aim was so terrible that even at close range they missed my carriage. The only redeeming feature of the Army of Courland is the cavalry. The synchronised clicking of hooves, the gleaming breastplates of the mounted warriors, the glistening tip of the lance with the red and white pennant proudly fluttering in the breeze; with well-practised precision the cavalry offer a welcome departure from an otherwise unbecoming fighting corps.

The Army of Courland is charged with the dual duty of defending the Commonwealth from Romanov incursions from the East and Swedish intrusions from the North. After reviewing the troops, I must confide that I have little confidence that, in their present state, they are capable of doing either. Of course, we must conceal this information from the Commonwealth’s many enemies, who would doubtless relish the opportunity to exploit our weakness.

I imagine, however, that the current Duke of Courland, Friedrich Kettler, is of dubious allegiance to the Commonwealth. The German duke has cemented his ties to Prussia through his recent matrimony to Elisabeth Sophie of Brandenburg, daughter of the Friedrich Wilhelm, the Elector of Brandenburg and the Duke of Prussia. While the Duke of Courland professes ostensible allegiance to the Polish-Lithuanian Crown, there can be little question as to where his true loyalties lie. Moreover, it is rumoured that preparations are underway for the Duke of Courland to receive a diplomatic delegation from Russia, including Tsar Peter himself. Your Majesty, Duke Friedrich Kettler of Courland is a Polish vassal only in name and our frontier is especially vulnerable on account of the Duke’s ambiguous fidelity to the Crown as well as his frequent and cordial overtures to our enemies. I will keep a close eye on events in Courland and report all relevant affairs to Your Majesty and the Sejm.

As Your Majesty has seen it fit to bestow upon me the honour of serving as the Commander of the Army of Courland, an honour for which I am grateful, there is a request which I hope Your Majesty will consider. The ancestral holdings of the House of Sieniawski are all situated in the southwest of the Commonwealth, a great distance from my current posting in Courland. It is regarded, even in the most far flung reaches of the Commonwealth, as proper for a nobleman to maintain a household in keeping with his social standing. Having no inheritance in these northeastern regions, the House of Sieniawski appeals to Your Majesty’s munificence in requesting the grant of an estate in Windawa, at the mouth of the River Venta, and the Województwo inflanckie (Inflanty Voivodeship) in order to improve the administration in the Livonian provinces as an initial step to securing the long-term loyalty to the Polish-Lithuanian Crown of the villages along the River Dzwina.

Adam Mikołaj Sieniawski​