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Akikonomu

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Am playing a Zeeland game. Swore fealty to HRE once I usurped all counties in Flanders. Through marriage, got Gelre and Brabant. Formed Frisia while fighting independence faction war so HRE doesn't have a claim on my kingdom and all counties/duchies. Took the rest of Holland when it revolted against HRE. Set up marriage to inherit Brunwsick-Holstein-Saxony. Next generation, set up marriage to inherit the Capetian kingdom of Denmark.

So far, game's going very well. Then in 1208, I win a crusade for Greece (minus Thrace and Athens which had by then become de jure Egypt. Counties of Arta, Thessalia, Eubonia, Chaldikide are Kingdom of Sicily). I'm doing well, I think. Since Egypt blobbed to eat up Hungary, Serbia, Bulgaria, Wallachia and dissolved the ERE, I decide to take advantage of a brief Egyptian civil war and net the duchy of Thrace in 1218.

Then I formed the Latin Empire and gave the Kingdom of Greece to a genius kinsman with no claims on Frisia or Flanders. By 1236, the de jure assimilation countdowns become very strange.
1. Frisia gets incorporated slowly into Latin Empire (expected)
2. Holstein-Brunswick-Saxony stops getting incorporated into Frisia! In fact the clock goes to zero. Now they're solidly de jure HRE. They're not getting assimilated into Latin Empire either. Should they? When/How will they?
3. Thrace is not getting assimilated into Frisia (?!) and remains solid de jure Egypt.

At this point, I realise I'm quite clueless about de jure assimilation mechanics in titular empires. Could someone explain why 2 and 3 are happening?

I'm not sure if my game is borked now because
a. Bigger Frisia is always good.
b. If Thrace never gets assimilated into my kingdom, I feel quite unsafe knowing that the Egyptian superblob can always call a de jure war on me when they get a strong ruler.

Was it a mistake to form Latin Empire immediately after I took Thrace? Would it have been better to wait for Brunswick-Holstein to assimilate into Frisia? And Thrace as well?
 

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It's how it works in all empires.

Duchies assimilate into Kingdoms. Kingdoms assimilate into empires.

That means:

1. When you form an empire, duchies will stop assimilating and will count backwards. Whatever kingdom they're in, they'll stay there forever.
2. Kingdoms will now start drifting into empires. But only if you hold the entire thing.