Forming Portugal from 769 Start Date

[ViJoker]

Is it possible? I've been planing to make a little grand-campaign where I form Portugal and then when it's over in CK2 I'd convert the game to EU4 and continue it with my dynisty and with the missions and ideas of Portugal in EU4. Can I do it or Portugal is only formable in 1066 start date?

 

[Duskwave]

The Kingdom of Portugal has no de jure territory before 1109 (the land is part of Galicia), but the title exists. It used to be that if you had certain territory you could have it and Galicia at the same time, but I believe it currently requires that the Kingdom of Galicia title not exist in order to create Portugal now.

But as long as you hold the Duchy of Portucale and one other and Galicia doesn't exist you can create it, I think. (Haven't checked)

 

[ViJoker]

Yeah, I knew about the de jure problem, and I should have especified that I know that Portugal is only formable through decision in the intrigue window before 1109. My question is if that decision appears in any start date before 1066. And if it does, what are the requirements.

 

[ViJoker]

I ask because I played a shattered world game with everyone tribal and managed to hold all the land from Coruña to Évora and Lisboa, but the decision didn't appear. I reaserched a bit and looks like it needs to be the year 1000 for the decision to appear. So I waited, but still no Portugal decision. Although now that I think of it, I wonder if it was because I was still tribal.
But now I'm way past that point in that campaign, so I would have to start all over again, conquer all the land again and wait until 1000 again and then become feudal to see if MAYBE it appears. I figured it would take less time asking about it here XD

 

[Duskwave]

Looking at it more, it looks like post-2.4, the decision only appears if you totally control (no stray baronies belonging to someone else) the relevant territories, it's at least the year 1000, AND you're not already a King or Emperor. Which seems weird to me, but I often don't get the logic of some of those conditions. But a lot of these sorts of creation decisions seem to not be operable in Shattered World starts though, I've seen a bunch of threads where people had one or the other not working.

 

[ViJoker]

But a lot of these sorts of creation decisions seem to not be operable in Shattered World starts though, I've seen a bunch of threads where people had one or the other not working.

Well, that's a bummer. What other titles are having problems, do you remember? It's ok if you don't, and thanks for the help!

 

[Tatterhood]

Checking the code (HFP_realm_decisions.txt if you want to look at it) it should be allowed in shattered worlds. It's disabled if you randomize title names or de jure setup. Maybe it's buggy though. There does not seem to be any year 1000 or requirement or restriction on government type. You need to be below king-tier and hold d_porto for the decision to appear, and completely control d_porto to take it.

Castille and Aragon have identical conditions (with the appropriate duchies in place of Porto) so I'd assume that if there is a bug it would affect them as well.

 

[Duskwave]

Well, that's a bummer. What other titles are having problems, do you remember? It's ok if you don't, and thanks for the help!

The Byzantine Empire seemed to give people the most trouble, but on searching for examples, they all appear to be not technically bugs, just issues with the requirements, mostly due to de jure drift between game start and when they got to where they thought it should be possible, or cultural or religious requirements they didn't expect. So maybe it's fine after all, just exposing expectation issues.

 

[afrodius]

In my last playthrough before hf, I was able to create the titular titles of portugal, castille, and aragon as an emperor after conquering the iberian muslims the normal way tities are created -with cash.

 

[Dakilla TM]

Iberian kingdoms are now formed by decision in the intrigue tab. To form Portugal from 769, you will need the duchy of Portucale and Beja.

 

[Chunakun]

What is the decision to form Aragon?

 

[Dakilla TM]

What is the decision to form Aragon?

You have to own two duchies within historical Aragon. It's easiest to do with with Barcelona and Aragon.

 

[ViJoker]

I have both duchies of Beja and Portucale but the decision didn't appear. I'm waiting until the year 1000 to see if it appears. I must say I started playing a shattered world, so I don't know if this affects the decision or not but if it does that would be disappointing.

 

[ViJoker]

Welp... year 1000... and I already tested with both feudal and tribal government. No Portugal decision. I guess it doesn't work with shattered world then...

 

[A_Dane]

Did you change the de jure set up when you shattered the world? someone above mentioned that would disable it

 

[Woifee]

SW disables kingdoms created by decision. If I remember the Code correctly.

Also I think Castille only needs on duchy.

 

[Woifee]

I would recvomend custom kingdom if you own CM and rename it Portugal.

 

[Tryvenyal]

It´s not a title you can greate from the title screen? I see you have that notification lighted

 

[ViJoker]

Did you change the de jure set up when you shattered the world? someone above mentioned that would disable it

Nop, I left the de jure stuff untouched.

SW disables kingdoms created by decision. If I remember the Code correctly.

That's what I was afraid of. Oh well...

I would recvomend custom kingdom if you own CM and rename it Portugal.

But I was planning to export my save to EU4 and continue playing as Portugal, with its ideas and mission tree and all that. Creating a kingdom from the duchy wouldn't help in that reagard.

It´s not a title you can greate from the title screen? I see you have that notification lighted

Yeah, but it's the Charlemagne decision to create a kingdom out of a duchy title (so in this case I would become the Kingdom of Beja). The decision I'm refering to is a special one that creates the kingdom of Portugal. The actual title of kingdom of Portugal.

 

[ViJoker]

I guess I'll have to strive for the Empire of Hispania and play as a Portuguese Spain in the EU4 convertion XD