Forming Nation Bonus

[rickrolle88]

Now this is one of my ideas that i see as being a bit more controversial. I know forming nations come with some innate benefits.

However, aside from temporary claims and increased centralization there isn't much gratification to be had. Really feeling that the work you put in will have a lasting impact on your game I think is important. Getting unique ideas I think does this but those types of formable nations are few and far between.

Thus I would like to suggest a unique bonus granted to a nation being formed. So Italy might get extra trade power, germany might get production etc. At the least maybe a generic triggered modifier. Any additions or comments?

 

[Danfish77]

Many of the formable nations actually have very strong ideas. Are there any in particular that you think need beefing up?

 

[wingren013]

I think he means all the ones that don't get ideas. Like hindustan, sardinia piedmont, ireland, sokoto, and arabia.

 

[BFTeixeira]

Same people. Same leaders. But just by changing the name of the nation they become more productive or more efficient trading. Sorry, forming nations already gives too many bonuses.

 

[t6.28]

Isn't it actually the majority of formable nations that have no (or at least no unique) national ideas?

 

[GChapman]

Forming a nation like Italy gives you new NI, which are great. Forming Italy is always worth it .

 

[Woifee]

Not sure why someone get special bonuses. Why should just changing the Tag abd the name increase productivity? Because of the stereotype of the productive Germans?

We already have the NI wich focus on stereotypes and clichés.

 

[BFTeixeira]

Not sure why someone get special bonuses. Why should just changing the Tag abd the name increase productivity? Because of the stereotype of the productive Germans?

We already have the NI wich focus on stereotypes and clichés.

This!!!

 

[BrokenSky]

Same people. Same leaders. But just by changing the name of the nation they become more productive or more efficient trading. Sorry, forming nations already gives too many bonuses.

Pretty sure the idea of forming a nation isn't just changing the name. It's about overhauling the legal structure; changing national identity, developing infrastructure etc. I think forming a nation doesn't necessarily need more bonuses generally, but I wouldn't be adverse to the idea of gaining development or similar if the decision, for example, moves the capital in the new site or gaining +productivity development in provinces producing a resource which is major to the nation I think?

Not sure why someone get special bonuses. Why should just changing the Tag abd the name increase productivity? Because of the stereotype of the productive Germans?

We already have the NI wich focus on stereotypes and clichés.

It depends on a case by case basis. I'm pretty sure the stereotypical German was a beer drinking, fat man in lederhosen with ridiculous facial hair until Germany formed as a country. Then the stereotype changed considerably. If we're going off stereotypes then forming Germany should definitely give you bonus production efficiency.

 

[Woifee]

Pretty sure the idea of forming a nation isn't just changing the name. It's about overhauling the legal structure; changing national identity, developing infrastructure etc. I think forming a nation doesn't necessarily need more bonuses generally, but I wouldn't be adverse to the idea of gaining development or similar if the decision, for example, moves the capital in the new site or gaining +productivity development in provinces producing a resource which is major to the nation I think?

With coring I already put my law and administration in their lands.
National identity, what's historical more settled in the end of the time frame, you get with cultural union.

It depends on a case by case basis. I'm pretty sure the stereotypical German was a beer drinking, fat man in lederhosen with ridiculous facial hair until Germany formed as a country. Then the stereotype changed considerably. If we're going off stereotypes then forming Germany should definitely give you bonus production efficiency.

The lederhosen and the dirndl are more a thing of the 19. Century and were created by nobility in the citys. They put them on on the Sommerfrische when they visited the countryside.

The stereotypes are already in the game.

 

[BrokenSky]

With coring I already put my law and administration in their lands.
National identity, what's historical more settled in the end of the time frame, you get with cultural union.




The lederhosen and the dirndl are more a thing of the 19. Century and were created by nobility in the citys. They put them on on the Sommerfrische when they visited the countryside.

The stereotypes are already in the game.

In fairness forming Germany also didn't happen withing the games timeframe.

I'm not talking about giving them your laws. I'm talking about overhauling all the laws.

 

[Woifee]

Kingdom of Germany existed until the end of the HRE. The Emperor was also King of the Germans. Forming the Kingdom is usurping the german crown.

 

[SignedName]

The extra base tax isn't enough of a bonus? Ruthenia also grants free cores.

 

[BrokenSky]

Kingdom of Germany existed until the end of the HRE. The Emperor was also King of the Germans. Forming the Kingdom is usurping the german crown.

I'm not talking about the king of the Germans. I'm talking about the German Nation.

 

[rickrolle88]

Not sure why someone get special bonuses. Why should just changing the Tag abd the name increase productivity? Because of the stereotype of the productive Germans?

We already have the NI wich focus on stereotypes and clichés.

Nations just don't change their name for the lols. The factors leading up to forming a nation such as Germany would be too many to go into in this post. That being said there are two main reasons I still like this idea, and they are that forming a nations symbolizes several like minded cultures coming together as a sovereign power and it would be cool for gameplay. Now as far as these "stereotypes" you are referring to. I would say they are less stereotypes and more abstract depictions of historical realities as to how nations operated in contrast with each other. As for the concerns for over powering formation, I see some good points. However, as it stands some formable nations are much more beneficial than others. So either the forming nation bonus or paradox could make up new NI's for every formable nations. Either of these would be sufficient in my mind.