Forming Macedonia as Antigonids

[Battlex]

What's the point of it. According to the wiki you need the kassander or antipatrid bloodline for the unique missions, just getting generics otherwise. Is there a hidden heritage for a Macedonia ruled by Antipatrids that is better than their starting one as the Phyrgian satrap? Only use I can see is when you're just about to form Argead empire and you want another province modifier

This is not to mention the posts about forming Macedonia as Antigonids seems to bug out Macedonian as your primary culture.

 

[DC123456789]

What's the point of it. According to the wiki you need the kassander or antipatrid bloodline for the unique missions, just getting generics otherwise. Is there a hidden heritage for a Macedonia ruled by Antipatrids that is better than their starting one as the Phyrgian satrap? Only use I can see is when you're just about to form Argead empire and you want another province modifier

This is not to mention the posts about forming Macedonia as Antigonids seems to bug out Macedonian as your primary culture.

Nope, forming Macedon as the Antigonids (but only the Antigonids) get you all 3 Macedonian missions.

 

[Battlex]

Nope, forming Macedon as the Antigonids (but only the Antigonids) get you all 3 Macedonian missions.

Are the missions worth it for that potential bug?

 

[DC123456789]

Are the missions worth it for that potential bug?

I didn't notice any issues with culture when forming Macedon; the Antigonids already begin with Macedonian primary culture, after all.

 

[Stars_and_Bars]

I didn't notice any issues with culture when forming Macedon; the Antigonids already begin with Macedonian primary culture, after all.

The bug he is talking about actually occurs BECAUSE Antigonids is macedonian, not in spite of it. If Antigonids had some other primary culture, the bug would never happen. It's this weird bug you get when the trigger "change_primary_culture" fires if the culture you are being changed to is already your primary culture. The issue is that the bug will demote your primary culture to freemen status and there's no way to changed that without save editing.

 

[DC123456789]

The bug he is talking about actually occurs BECAUSE Antigonids is macedonian, not in spite of it. If Antigonids had some other primary culture, the bug would never happen. It's this weird bug you get when the trigger "change_primary_culture" fires if the culture you are being changed to is already your primary culture. The issue is that the bug will demote your primary culture to freemen status and there's no way to changed that without save editing.

Ah. Forming it by mission doesn't have this problem (looking at the code, the decision shouldn't either?), but that does require you to trigger the Antigonid Cause Wavers event. Though I think that's required to get the Macedonian missions anyways.

 

[Battlex]

I didn't notice any issues with culture when forming Macedon; the Antigonids already begin with Macedonian primary culture, after all.

Do you still have this save? And so could check if Macedonian is still primary culture and can raise to noble status?

Ah. Forming it by mission doesn't have this problem (looking at the code, the decision shouldn't either?), but that does require you to trigger the Antigonid Cause Wavers event. Though I think that's required to get the Macedonian missions anyways.

Hmm balancing two sets of Diadochi missions by needing to lose your empire makes sense

 

[Lord Lambert]

That bug occurs with the end part of Hellenistic Empire, not with forming Macedon.

Primary reason to form Macedon as the Antigonids is the sexy flag.

 

[DC123456789]

Do you still have this save? And so could check if Macedonian is still primary culture and can raise to noble status?

Hmm balancing two sets of Diadochi missions by needing to lose your empire makes sense

Definitely no issues with Macedonian culture in my save.

 

[Battlex]

That bug occurs with the end part of Hellenistic Empire, not with forming Macedon.

Primary reason to form Macedon as the Antigonids is the sexy flag.

I'd heard about it with forming Macedonia, kios to pontus chain, and Argead empire. But if the game doesn't auto save on tag formation I'll test it myself, as was wary of doing it before.

Also complaint I've got about Legacy of Alexander war goal, if you annex via full occupation of a fellow Diadochi, their subjects go free and you get a truce with them, as well as all their family members sans the family head dying. So I can't really keep the Antigonids dying despite saving Kassander from death. A Diadochi run where you make the 4 Diadochi into your 4 great families could be quite fun I think.

 

[Lord Lambert]

their subjects go free and you get a truce with them

Yeah this can be irritating

So I can't really keep the Antigonids dying despite saving Kassander from death

Um... what? None of the territories you need to hold are owned by a vassal of the Diadochi?

A Diadochi run where you make the 4 Diadochi into your 4 great families could be quite fun I think.

Agreed, but I have no idea how one would be able to do this.

 

[Battlex]

Yeah this can be irritating

Um... what? None of the territories you need to hold are owned by a vassal of the Diadochi?

Agreed, but I have no idea how one would be able to do this.

None of the lands I need are held by vassals but if would be really nice if they became your subjects, so saving a war, like how in eu4 if you full annex someone you get all their vassals.

When you full annex them, invite the great family which contains the monarch to come to your country, then keep on giving them jobs and wealth to boost family prestige until they can replace the starting ones

 

[Roy1012]

150 political influence, some nobles, moving your capital to a Macedonian-majority territory and 3 free province investments are enough for me, the missions are nice as well. Plus, cool map color.

 

[Battlex]

150 political influence, some nobles, moving your capital to a Macedonian-majority territory and 3 free province investments are enough for me, the missions are nice as well. Plus, cool map color.

Huh the wiki said you only got the 1 mission if you secure position, but checking dev diaries, it's at least meant that you can do 2 of the 3 macedonian mission if you reform macedon, you can do the 2nd and 3rd, and that's how antigonids get access to the argead empire mission.
In your view whats the use of macedonian majority territory? Your legion will already be a good size because of many in the cultures in the capital being integrated.