Forming Hindustan is kinda useless(?)

[Ozzmaster]

I formed Hindustan as Bengal and all i got for bumping my stability to 3 was a new colour and 10 Prestige.
I always thought that if you form Hindustan all the cultures from your culture group will be accepted (in this case eastern aryan).
from researching old threads it looks like it should work this way. was this changed lately or was it never supposed to work like that?

 

[Violent AI]

You also get claims on rest of the lands which is useful for very rapid expansion if you've taken admin ideas

 

[YuriiH]

1) 4 additional cultures become accepted, Hindvi, Panjabi, Avadhi, Kashmiri. (unless you are already one of them)
2) Free claims.

 

[Ozzmaster]

1) 4 additional cultures become accepted, Hindvi, Panjabi, Avadhi, Kashmiri. (unless you are already one of them)
2) Free claims.

1. these cultures did not become accepted for me
2. claims are always ''free''

 

[Closet Skeleton]

You get Emperor rank. Which you'd probably have anyway.

 

[heliostellar]

Yes, as stated you get emperor rank. I'm not sure why, but you are considered the cultural union for Hindustani cultures only even when you're not a Hindustani-led nation forming it. You probably don't see them as "accepted" because whenever you become a cultural union the game automatically kicks those cultures out of the accepted category but they really still are accepted.

The claims are OK, but realistically they'll probably expire before you can get to them all.

I do have to agree though that Hindustan/Bharat is rather anticlimatic.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

The claims were a lot better with -25% core cost. You could stack administrative on that and 50% discount multi-war the subcontinent. I took about 1/3 of India that way with Nagaur when going for Rajas.

Now it's mostly just a fast-shift for empire rank, since you can form Hindustan with WAY less development than 1k (all of India is around 1500).

 

[YuriiH]

1. these cultures did not become accepted for me
2. claims are always ''free''

Hm. Yesterday I formed Hinduist version with Bengal. They became accepted one month later

 

[Violent AI]

Hm. Yesterday I formed Hinduist version with Bengal. They became accepted one month later

Because the Bengal culture provinces happen to be quite rich overall

 

[Xinkc]

Cultural unions technically do not accept the cultures in their respective culture groups. Instead, all cultures in that group view the cultural union as their home nation. The key difference is that cultural unions don't show the non-primary cultures as accepted when you look up the list. However, looking at the province menu should show the culture as an "accepted green" and you get full benefits from owning them. Also, looking at the accepted cultures map mode should show them as a light blue.

 

[YuriiH]

Because the Bengal culture provinces happen to be quite rich overall

How does Bengali's provinces influence acceptance of Hindvi and Avadhi after I clicked the button.
Before clicking the decision, they were red

 

[heliostellar]

How does Bengali's provinces influence acceptance of Hindvi and Avadhi after I clicked the button.
Before clicking the decision, they were red

Hindvi and Avadhi are Hindustani cultures that are now accepted because Hindustan is the cultural union.

 

[YuriiH]

Hindvi and Avadhi are Hindustani cultures that are now accepted because Hindustan is the cultural union.

That's exactly what I am saying a little bit above, and that is the main benefit of forming Hindustan / Bharat (which was questioned by TC)

 

[jdrou]

It's a bit confusing to refer to them as accepted cultures since that's not what they are in-game; a culture union just gives roughly the same effect as accepted cultures (i.e. no culture penalties).

 

[Xinkc]

It's a bit confusing to refer to them as accepted cultures since that's not what they are in-game; a culture union just gives roughly the same effect as accepted cultures (i.e. no culture penalties).

Last I checked, the game doesn't call them accepted cultures. It says something along the lines of all cultures in that group will view the union as their own country.

 

[Ozzmaster]

here is a screenshot:
http://i.imgur.com/1RJ52Od.jpg

as you can see the hindustani cultures are all red and i still have the -15% for cultures from my culture group.

 

[jdrou]

As said earlier, it makes you the culture union of the Hindustani group, not your own culture group if you are something else.
And Hindustani provinces won't show up as accepted because they are not accepted. They are Union which is not the same thing.
Also doesn't seem to show a union outside your own group on the government screen but the culture tooltip in the province view does show the message "All Hindustani cultures consider . . .". Check the culture tooltip on a Hindustani-group province.

 

[Ozzmaster]

As said earlier, it makes you the culture union of the Hindustani group, not your own culture group if you are something else.
And Hindustani provinces won't show up as accepted because they are not accepted. They are Union which is not the same thing.
Also doesn't seem to show a union outside your own group on the government screen but the culture tooltip in the province view does show the message "All Hindustani cultures consider . . .". Check the culture tooltip on a Hindustani-group province.

i checked the provinces and yes they are all accepted.

i was confused because when i formed other culture unions in the past i always got additional accepted cultures. was that changed or was hindustan always like that?

 

[ringhloth]

You don't really get anything for any of the nation forming. Occasionally a better idea group.

 

[jdrou]

i checked the provinces and yes they are all accepted.

i was confused because when i formed other culture unions in the past i always got additional accepted cultures. was that changed or was hindustan always like that?

Most culture unions are formed by countries that are in the same culture group so you might not normally notice the strange behavior. There are some other union decisions that should work the same way though; e.g. Azerbaijani forming Persia. And many people call union cultures "accepted" but the game does not consider them the same thing.