They do not exist at 1444. I agree that the Hannover situation needs explaining.
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Forming Germany should delete the HRE
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Germany should only be an alternative if HRE is dismembered or forming Germany should automatically dismember HRE.
It doesn`t make any sense for HRE to still exist if Germany is formed, it will have around half of the HRE lands when it forms and have a huge amount cores on HRE.
Forming Germany should be a death sentence for HRE.
For Italy, I don`t think it should be kicked but on the other hand I can understand the reasoning.
It doesn`t make any sense for HRE to still exist if Germany is formed, it will have around half of the HRE lands when it forms and have a huge amount cores on HRE.
Forming Germany should be a death sentence for HRE.
For Italy, I don`t think it should be kicked but on the other hand I can understand the reasoning.
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Why exactly? It's been like it is for years in EU. All of a sudden German HRE must die.
Gonna play the Hansa anyway. Being emperor is too boring as you can't switch religion.
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What about Great Britain being under a PU with Hannover, which was 100% a HRE state? Can a Kingdom be under the PU of a lesser gov type? Seems silly.
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Will forming Sardinia-Piedmont remove you from the HRE? Historically, the Kingdom of Sardinia was under the HRE and only founded with the consent of the Emperor.
Something being a certain way for years in EU is hardly an argument against it unless you think we should stop developing the game.
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No of course not, I love to see it developed and I'm sure it will be great but what is the official/historical reason for the Germany cant be HRE thing?
I guess two words, "not historical" from reading the thread
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Like Scotland with England, Hannover was functionally the junior partner in the union with Great Britain.
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And furthermore, the distinguishing feature of personal unions is that the laws and ranks of each nation could be and were often totally different and only happened to be ruled by the same person.
The problems with ruling the UK from Hannover would have been the same as ruling the UK from Sardinia-Piedmont, even though Sardinia was a Kingdom.
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Well I played EU 3 to death but I had Death and Taxes mod so Germany means a dismembered HRE for me.
That aside I still think that Germany should mean HRE dismemberment. Germany is the uncontested heart of HRE and I also think Germany should necessitate far more provinces to be formed and it shouldn`t be fixed provinces, only a number of provinces from German zone.
You could say I`m loyal to D&T`s Germany formation.
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"not historically plausible". Which is far more important than hypothetic "what if two hundred years before vanilla eu4 starting date the HRE lost Germany and moved to Hungary" scenarios.No of course not, I love to see it developed and I'm sure it will be great but what is the official/historical reason for the Germany cant be HRE thing?
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EU 4 seems far more complete than EU 3 and I play it without mods but I still modded Germany formation to need a number of provinces from the German region but not specific provinces.
I don`t understand on what Paradox based their decision about the formation of Germany.Why specific provinces ?
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Yea. But to me it is very exciting that you can form Germany atleast, more important than to know exactly why exactly those provinces needed for Germany really are needed
Germany can also be a step on the road of HRE integration. It is very logical for HRE emperor to consolidate his own land, similarly to France.
The head of Germany can be in the process of putting himself as the head of HRE.
Arbitrary rules that make no sence don`t improve the game, the argument for the game development is foolish.
There already is an option to leave HRE. There is an option to consolidate HRE as a centralised state. Yet, by your logic, the emperor should no be able to consolidate large part of his domain firts, despite it being the logical cource of events.
The rival of the emperor, that formed Germany can`t also want to eventually take HRE crown. There is no logic behind arbitrary forced leave of HRE, if you`re not emperor.
The option to leave is already present for those who want to leave. So is the option to destroy HRE.
It is arbitrary and stupid, at best.
If I own most of HRE heartland, it is not a problem. If I change the flag of my state, it suddenly becames a huge deal. How does that make any sence?
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the habsburg empire continued to exist in the form of the austrian/ austro-hungarian empires, but the Holy Roman Empire was dissolved after austerlitz
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The Kingdom of Germany became the Holy Roman Empire.
Germany as a statal entity inside the HRE disappeared when HRE was proclaimed and since German territory makes the vast amount of HRE than I don`t see the how can HRE can survive as an entity once Germany is a reality.
The Emperor was already King of Germany so it doesn`t make sense for the Emperor to form Germany, if you are Emperor it you are better off centralising the HRE.
It was confirmed that the Emperor can`t form Germany anyway.
I see no argument here.
If you really want to discuss with me this than bring arguments.
If you want to have a kek lulz pissing contest I am not interested.
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Are converted CK2 starts not considered base game any more? Last time I checked they were, there are even a few special parts of vanilla EU4 made especially for CK2 conversions.
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So, the problem is the name and the flag? That Prussia/Hanza/whatever becomes the size needed to form germany is no problem at all, as long as there is no change of flag?
Emperor can be whatever on words. Emperors didn`t really own most of Germany directly. It makes absolute sence to centralise at lest some of the domain, You might know, that France and GB were not centralised in a single step.
In fact, turning HRE into a commonwealth of larger parts, makes perfect sence. Like GB was a union of 3 (or 4) crowns, Emperor becoming king of Germany, and having another 2-3 kigdoms occupy most of HRE makes perfect sence.
Why not re-read the post and try answering point by point?
I see at least 4 good points, of which, none did you even bother to dismiss.
Also, can you ,at least, justify why should forming Prussia as non-elector force you out of HRE?
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