Forming Germany should delete the HRE

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On the subject of Germany does it give cultural union for the entire german group or is it just the actual germans? Does it give union statues to the dutch and flemish cultures as well?
I for some reason thought it didnt.
The entire german culture group, including dutch and flemish.
 

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On the subject of Germany does it give cultural union for the entire german group or is it just the actual germans? Does it give union statues to the dutch and flemish cultures as well?
I for some reason thought it didnt.
And how do you suppose the game tells the difference between "actual" germans and "fake" germans?
 

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And how do you suppose the game tells the difference between "actual" germans and "fake" germans?

I don't think he means to imply that there are "fake" Germans. I think he means "actual" Germans as in the Germanic-speaking peoples of central Europe excluding the Dutch-- Germans in Germany proper, or what ultimately became Germany proper plus Austria (in terms of EU IV's timeline, though actual unification under Prussia is outside of EU IV's timeline). Roughly the people who ended up speaking modern German vs. those who speak Dutch languages, which differed more from local High German dialects than those individual dialects did from each other, from my understanding. Basically, two sub-categories of "Germanic peoples," differentiated due to major cultural and linguistic differences. I'm sure there are people who understand this in far greater detail than I do, however.
 

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I don't think he means to imply that there are "fake" Germans. I think he means "actual" Germans as in the Germanic-speaking peoples of central Europe excluding the Dutch-- Germans in Germany proper, or what ultimately became Germany proper plus Austria (in terms of EU IV's timeline, though actual unification under Prussia is outside of EU IV's timeline). Roughly the people who ended up speaking modern German vs. those who speak Dutch languages, which differed more from local High German dialects than those individual dialects did from each other, from my understanding. Basically, two sub-categories of "Germanic peoples," differentiated due to major cultural and linguistic differences. I'm sure there are people who understand this in far greater detail than I do, however.

Pretty much accurate, except that Dutch is more similar to north German dialects then they are to high German. The distinction between Dutch and German is a bit artificial and based more on historical then on linguistic reasons.

Case in point the English word for dutch (dutch) is the German and Dutch word for German (Deutsch and Duitse respectively).

Edit: Also worth mentioning maybe that most of that history took place during or after EUIV timeline. At the start of the game the Hansa would probably consider itself more related to the Dutch then to Bavaria.
 
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