Forming France as Burgundy -> How to get France's ideas?

[toniagree]

So I gobbled up France as Burgundy. I clicked the form France nation. What I get is a Burgundian France with Burgundian idea >< Is there anyway I can get the French ideas? Thank you!

 

[Alliegorical]

You can't. The only nations that change your ideas when forming them are Prussia, Byzantium, Mughals, the Netherlands, and Italy, AFAIK.

 

[balmung60]

So I gobbled up France as Burgundy. I clicked the form France nation. What I get is a Burgundian France with Burgundian idea >< Is there anyway I can get the French ideas? Thank you!

Well, assuming you're not playing Ironman, alter EU IV/decisions/FrenchNation.txt as follows (addition in bold and orange):

country_decisions = {

	french_nation = {
		major = yes
		potential = {
			NOT = { exists = FRA }
			NOT = { exists = RFR }
			NOT = { tag = HLR }
			NOT = { tag = PAP }
			NOT = { tag = SPA }		# Basque is a valid culture for both FRA and SPA
			OR = {
				culture_group = french
				culture_group = basque_group
				primary_culture = breton
			}
			is_colonial_nation = no
			OR = {
				is_former_colonial_nation = no
				AND = {
					is_former_colonial_nation = yes
					ai = no
				}
			}
		}
		allow = {
			is_at_war = no
			owns = 177	# Maine
			owns = 179	# Blois
			owns = 182	# Vermandois
			owns = 183	# Île-de-France
			owns = 184	# Orléannais
			owns = 185	# Othe
			owns = 186	# Champagne
			is_core = 177	# Maine
			is_core = 179	# Blois
			is_core = 182	# Vermandois
			is_core = 183	# Île-de-France
			is_core = 184	# Orléannais
			is_core = 185	# Othe
			is_core = 186	# Champagne			
		}
		effect = {
			gallia = {
				limit = {
					NOT = { owned_by = ROOT }
				}
				add_claim = FRA
			}
			aquitania = {
				limit = {
					NOT = { owned_by = ROOT }
				}
				add_claim = FRA
			}
			occitania = {
				limit = {
					NOT = { owned_by = ROOT }
				}
				add_claim = FRA
			}
			add_country_modifier = {
				name = "centralization_modifier"
				duration = 7300
			}
			add_prestige = 25
			change_tag = FRA
			FRA = {
				set_capital = 183
			}
			[B][COLOR="#FFA500"]swap_free_idea_group = yes		#keep progress[/COLOR][/B]
		}
		ai_will_do = {
			factor = 1
		}
	}
	
}

You can't. The only nations that change your ideas when forming them are Prussia, Byzantium, Mughals, the Netherlands, and Italy, AFAIK.

Persia does, too.

 

[Nilmerf]

Forming France or Netherlands as Burgundy.. such sacrilege! Europe must be covered in the glorious colour, name, and shield of BUR.

 

[toniagree]

I did it to get the Milanese mission. Otherwise, it's quite impossible to get them. I border their capitol only, and everything else is out of the question, loan included. Thanks guys!

 

[ceteris.paribus]

Forming France or Netherlands as Burgundy.. such sacrilege! Europe must be covered in the glorious colour, name, and shield of BUR.

^ This!

But honestly, I have struggled with this in past campaigns because I know its a good idea to form France so that all the French cultures will be accepted, but the BBB color doesn't feel right. I like playing Burgandy mostly for their location, but I think their NI's suck compared to France's.

 

[Colossal_Elk]

At least it'd make more sense than forming Netherlands as Burgundy.

"Hey everyone, we're going to sign away half our land in exchange for some really weak NIs. We're sooooooooooo smart!"

 

[Tom013]

At least it'd make more sense than forming Netherlands as Burgundy.

"Hey everyone, we're going to sign away half our land in exchange for some really weak NIs. We're sooooooooooo smart!"

I'd hardly say the Netherlands have really weak NIs, and I kinda like their special government type. That said, I think it's more fun to form them as a Dutch minor, and the Burgundy decision really only makes sense if you're already been blasted out of France anyway.

 

[Colossal_Elk]

I'd hardly say the Netherlands have really weak NIs, and I kinda like their special government type. That said, I think it's more fun to form them as a Dutch minor, and the Burgundy decision really only makes sense if you're already been blasted out of France anyway.

But Burgundy's ideas are soooooooooo much better by comparison. Who needs that trade income boost when your mercs cost bupkis to maintain?