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It just doesn't fit into this timeframe. Historically, an "Empire" was a state that claimed legitimate inheritance from imperial Rome as the ultimate sovereign to which all kings were subject. From that perspective, it makes sense why only the HRE (papal claims), and the ERE (legitimate descent) are the only two de jure empires.

Spain, Russia.

Also rome, rome didn't claim descent from rome. :p
 

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Spain wasn't acknowledged by anyone, people just laughed at the Spanish king calling himself Emperor. And Russia wasn't an Empire in this time.

Russia was mostly fighting a family feud, then the Mongols, then Novgorod submitted, then came the Teutonic Order, but they lost (Battle of Peipus). Then the Mongols gave Alexander Neviskii, for his help, the title of grand prince of Russia.
That founder the Tsarist line, with in the 1500s, was established by Ivan the Terrible, and lasted until Tsar Nicholas II, who was despised by Lenin and the Bolsheviks. But between 1500s and 1920, Russia was so large it was considered an empire.
Tsar even is Russian for Caesar.
 

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Yeah, but those titles were united for such a brief amount of time. I am just really curious about what the Empire of Francia will include. Parts of the Mediterranean?
 

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No one laughed at him when he held both the Spanish lands and the Holy Roman Empire.:D

I thought he was referring to the medieval Spanish kings who called themselves Emperors. If he is however referring to Charles V., then there are still 2 issues:
1. Charles V. was Holy Roman Emperor and not Spanish Emperor.
2. His reign doesn't fit into the timeframe of the game. He was born in 1500 and this game lasts until 1453.

Russia was mostly fighting a family feud, then the Mongols, then Novgorod submitted, then came the Teutonic Order, but they lost (Battle of Peipus). Then the Mongols gave Alexander Neviskii, for his help, the title of grand prince of Russia.
That founder the Tsarist line, with in the 1500s, was established by Ivan the Terrible, and lasted until Tsar Nicholas II, who was despised by Lenin and the Bolsheviks. But between 1500s and 1920, Russia was so large it was considered an empire.
Tsar even is Russian for Caesar.
This game ends in 1453, so this doesn't fit. Also, according to the German Wikipedia, Iwan III. and Wassili III. just considered "Tzar" to mean "Great Leader/Ruler" (and not "Emperor"), even if the word Tzar comes from "Caesar".
Additionally, the Russian leaders called themselves Tzars only after the fall of the ERE and that is because they considered themselves to be the successors to it.

Original quote: "Für Iwan III. und Wassili III. bedeutete Zar nichts anderes als „großer Herrscher“." (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drittes_Rom)
 
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Yea, well I dunno, so here's the empires that are gonna be in 1.06
Francia (France, Aquintace, Brittany, Burgundy.)
Spain (Castile, Leon, Navarre, Aragon, Andulasian, Northern Gallicia)
Brittania (Wales, England, Scotland, Ireland)
Russia (Rus, some Khazaria kingdoms)
Persia (Persia, Khazaria terrs)
Arabia (Arabia, Egypt, Mesopotamia).
 

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The Russian cars a successors of rome. The proclaim the succession of the Byzantine (Eastern Roman) Empire after the fall of the Empire. I don't like the new empires at all.

And I would really don't like a "Creat any title you want, because you are so cooool!". So I don't hope this feature is coming.
 

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So you are saying if I were to claim to be the Emperor, I would automatically be recognized by everyone until I am unseated?

I assume that you hold the required three kingdom titles? Where are they? The king of your bedroom, the king of your bathroom, and the king of your cupboard?
 

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Yea, well I dunno, so here's the empires that are gonna be in 1.06
Francia (France, Aquintace, Brittany, Burgundy.)
Spain (Castile, Leon, Navarre, Aragon, Andulasian, Northern Gallicia)
Brittania (Wales, England, Scotland, Ireland)
Russia (Rus, some Khazaria kingdoms)
Persia (Persia, Khazaria terrs)
Arabia (Arabia, Egypt, Mesopotamia).

Would like to see Combination of Crowns create new realms too, for instance.
Ireland, Wales & Scotland = Celtic Nation (or Empire)
United Iberia = Iberian Empire
etc.
 

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Yes, they are. I mean, if nobody tries to unseat me, they automatically recognize me, don't they?

We can all be emperors of our own hovels. Just because everybody else ignores it doesn't make it real.

Do you have a nice throne? Is it kept in the kingdom of the bathroom?