Formable Nations?

[that-guy-is-it]

I get that the time frame is really short, so having many formable nations is illogical, but I think that some should be included as military goals. For example, the Gran Colombia (Own Colombia, Panama, Ecuador, and Venezuela), which then grants you cores (to stop revolts) and legitimizes your conquests to a degree. I think if, for instance, Mussolini got his wish, the Kingdom of Italy would have been renamed New Rome or something. I think this should be represented, so when nations control certain territories, they become "grander" versions of themselves. I could also think of the German Reich being renamed Greater Germania, the USSR becomes the Continental Union of Soviet Republics if it reaches Western Europe, etc. What do you think?

 

[Magnus Imperator Rex]

Agreed. Would love to see a system like this implemented. And it is kind of historical. During WW2 Germany renamed itself in 1943 the Greater Germanic Reich (Großdeutsches Reich) , annexing many lands to Germany proper. From 1933 to 1943 they were just called the German Reich (Deutsches Reich) .

 

[Nicolas I]

I could see Fascists France and Netherlands annexing Wallonia and Flanders, separately or as partners in crime.

In addition to Wallonia and Flanders, I would also like to see historically separatists regions like Catalonia or Basque country (Euskal Herria) in Spain, just to name a few.

 

[that-guy-is-it]

I could see Fascists France and Netherlands annexing Wallonia and Flanders, separately or as partners in crime.

In addition to Wallonia and Flanders, I would also like to see historically separatists regions like Catalonia or Basque country (Euskal Herria) in Spain, just to name a few.

Maybe Spain (or others) break apart is a Civil War becomes too destructive?

 

[Will Steel]

Yes please. Formable nations are always nice. I guess there should be tags and cores for Scotland, Wales, Iceland Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, and probably the nations that existed outside of the game's timeframe (African colonies for example).

Also, just to annoy some forumites, they should include the option of forming the Byzantine Empire if Greece conquers Turkey.

 

[Kallar]

Dont really know if Will Steel is trolling. But to be honest why create new Nations? It just makes no sense to me. See Germany delcared himsel greater Reich... meaning greater power not a diffrent country. Besides that several countries gained indipendence like some colonies. But its just of no use to create countries like greater columbia. This is WW2 south murica is not important at all for that time ^^ Better focus on majors than doing stuff down there.

Besides that from a Modders perspective doing country creations isnt to much of a deal.

 

[Price21]

I hope they make Belarus and Ukraine potential nations if the SU falls apart or if Germany creates them as a buffer state it could be really helpful..

 

[Kallar]

How as a ai in a prdx game ever helpfull?

 

[Price21]

How as a ai in a prdx game ever helpfull?

If you don't want to micro-manage too much, or you just want a buffer state on your border so you aren't bordering any threats..

 

[Kallar]

U loose IC and stuff to avoid playing yourself GG (no offense)

 

[Price21]

U loose IC and stuff to avoid playing yourself GG (no offense)

Yea good point, Although if i'm Germany and i've conquered all of Europe and I want to peace out with the Soviet Union leaving Ukraine and Belarus as Buffer States, I don't think losing that small amount of IC really matters.. Compared all the IC I currently have.

 

[The_Meme_Man]

I really don't see "new nations" working in the scope of Hearts of Iron. Unlike in other games, whatever grows in Hearts of Iron is not really set in stone. The Allies will continue to see a world as it was in January 1st, 1936. The Axis will only recognize what they gained, and the USSR will be in the middle, recognizing any new SSR's. Nation name changes like the US becoming the PRA would make sense, but the amount of nationalism that will be depicted in the game just doesn't make any new national unions plausible. Just because Mussolini wanted to form the Roman Empire doesn't mean Italians are going to support a flag change and name change and everything. This doesn't include released nations, because they technically "already" exists. There is already a "Vietnam", and a "Cambodia", and a "Korea".

No nation changes on the scope of EU4 would allow us to remember who is really on whose side.

 

[Zoob]

What about Slovakia and Croatia, these were nations created by the German State, I think that any country should be able to create a puppet out of conquered cores and name it what it wants.

 

[safe-keeper]

This has been discussed before, and I still think it would be awesome to be able to release states of your choice and choose yourself what to call them. Opens for all kinds of awesome ideas.

 

[Milten]

I think if, for instance, Mussolini got his wish, the Kingdom of Italy would have been renamed New Rome or something.

This could actually make me play Italy for once.
It won't work in terms of realism though. Even if Italians, for example, would be proud to be part of Novum Imperium (or wouldn't they?) Egyptians and other Arabic nations won't care even a little bit so getting cores on their territories doesn't make any sense.

 

[Niko92]

Well, considering that it uses the newer engine, forming new countries is possible engine wise. I honestly would prefer if there was an option to create/release custom nations, as all factions historically changed the borders of countries once they were released.

 

[Nicolas I]

What about Slovakia and Croatia, these were nations created by the German State, I think that any country should be able to create a puppet out of conquered cores and name it what it wants.

As these were already in HOI3 and historically existed, I take for granted the will be in HOI4. What I wonder is if new "plausible" historical nations/separatists regions will be included.

 

[Zoob]

My point is, Germany just so happened to release two puppet governments from it's conquered territories, if I was hungary conquering Germany and wanted to form Bavaria as it's own nation, I would like to do so.

 

[Kovax]

Germany had the option in HOI3 TFH to break up Yugoslavia into its constituent pieces. It could also release India, Pakistan, and Palestine as puppets, but couldn't release various other possibilities like the Ukraine. Worse, releasing a puppet gave them ALL of their cores, including any that were also YOURS! Why would I fight and occupy them if I wasn't going to take and keep my own cores? You could do it in advance with a wargoal in most cases, but not after the fact.

It made no sense. The game REALLY needs better peace resolutions, and not EU's gamey "defeat them over and over, and annex them one province per war".

 

[BBBD316]

Well I would like ReichKommisaraits to be releaseable, even if it is really just window dressing.

Certainly I would prefer, and I think we are getting, a more structured peace treaty system. Each nations war score allows them to sit so far up the table, so you have to win your own wars or you may get nothing. No more using the Germans to puppet larger nations.