Formable Nation: Turkey

[SignedName]

Formable nation at Admin Tech 20 (similar to Egypt). Requirements would be Turkish culture, holding key cores (Ankara, Adana, some other cores), and if Ottomans, can't own Constantinople. Would give a claim on all Anatolian provinces.

 

[Ilightmaster]

Formable nation at Admin Tech 20 (similar to Egypt). Requirements would be Turkish culture, holding key cores (Ankara, Adana, some other cores), and if Ottomans, can't own Constantinople. Would give a claim on all Anatolian provinces.

This is something that already had a discussion about. The answer was that Turkey was way out of the timeline and also that Turkey had been more like a punishment in a peace deal. (for ottoman empire)

 

[Celtic Emporer]

I see it being as more of a possible name for if they go revolutionary...cuz thats how Turkey came to be.... instead of "Revolutionary Ottomans," they shoud become "Turkey."

 

[SignedName]

This is something that already had a discussion about. The answer was that Turkey was way out the timeline and also that Turkey had been more like a punishment in a peace deal. (for ottoman empire)

Well, there's a reason why I put in the requirements for Ottomans as: NOT own Constantinople.

 

[Ilightmaster]

And If they lose all their cores on greece.

 

[PAnZuRiEL]

and if Ottomans, can't own Constantinople.

Well, there's a reason why I put in the requirements for Ottomans as: NOT own Constantinople.

But Istanbul is the capital of modern Turkey.

 

[MWSampson]

I wouldn't mind Turkey being formable by non-ottoman Anatolian Tech countries. If a country owns historic Ottoman lands but weren't ottomans then it makes sense for this to happen.

 

[Emre Yigit]

But Istanbul is the capital of modern Turkey.

The de jure move of the Ottoman capital to Ankara predates the formation of the Republic by 16 days. (De facto, it happened a few years before.)

Ankara has been the capital for the past 91 years, 9 months and 29 days.

 

[Deathlinger]

I wouldn't mind Turkey being formable by non-ottoman Anatolian Tech countries. If a country owns historic Ottoman lands but weren't ottomans then it makes sense for this to happen.

Or if the Ottomans lose the Osmanli dynasty.

 

[PAnZuRiEL]

Ankara has been the capital for the past 91 years, 9 months and 29 days.

Yeah okay, you got me. That was a really ignorant statement that I could easily have checked.

But the main point, being that Istanbul is part of Turkey, is still an argument against any requirement of forming Turkey being to not have control of Constantinople.

 

[Emre Yigit]

But the main point, being that Istanbul is part of Turkey, is still an argument against any requirement of forming Turkey being to not have control of Constantinople.

I agree with you there. I think it ought to be that the Ottos or whatever don't control any European provinces except for Thrace and Adrianople.


And re: the first part. These are the Paradox forums, of course, where people play gotcha! with historical information. FWIW I had to double-check the date.

 

[Chlodio]

1: "I suggest that Ottomans would be renamed to Turkey."
2: "But It isn't historical name!"
1: "And Byzantium is?"
2: "But Turkey and Ottomans aren't even the same state."
1: "Correct, one is monarchy while other is not, but Sultanate of Turkey sounds fine while Ottoman Republic does not."
2: "Incorrect, one is multinational state while other is national state."
1: "But if they're primary tag they are national state and EU4 doesn't handle that well."
2: "I just don't like it, it is too confusing."
1: "Something other then? Anatolia?"
2: "But it controlled much more than Anatolia."
1: "So did Great Britain. Morocco isn't called Marinids nor Tunisia Hafsids, why should Ottomans be special?"
2: "Because it was most advanced, tolerant and strongest empire that ever existed, also its dynasty never changed."
1: "But it can change, Turkey is just most flexible name, I would prioritize country naming like this (1) Name that can apply for monarchies and republics, (2) Historical name, (3) Regional name, (4) Anachronistic name."
2: "That's just stupid, it should go (1) Ottomans, (2) Anachronistic name, (3) Historical name. I'm done here."

 

[Celtic Emporer]

If Osmanli doesnt control it, it shouldnt be Ottomans....
I think thaat it bing a rev. Rep. should make it Turkey, as already stated....

 

[Ilightmaster]

I vote for rev. Russia should make URSS ? Where are the boundaries ?

 

[Celtic Emporer]

I vote for rev. Russia should make URSS ? Where are the boundaries ?

Russia isnt a dynastic name.... the term "Soviet" wouldnt be popular until...ya know.... Socialism, so that wouldnt work.... Say....nationalism wise... people of Turkish Anatolia didnt call themselves "The People of Ottoman". Most Russians in a nationalistic mindset called themselves "The People of Russia".
You also spelled USSR wrong...

 

[Chaos_TLW]

Russia isnt a dynastic name.... the term "Soviet" wouldnt be popular until...ya know.... Socialism, so that wouldnt work.... Say....nationalism wise... people of Turkish Anatolia didnt call themselves "The People of Ottoman". Most Russians in a nationalistic mindset called themselves "The People of Russia".
You also spelled USSR wrong...

I imagine he speaks French, Portuguese or SPanish, as in these languages the acronym is URSS.

To be honest I think EU4 could make good use of Vic2's dynamic naming system, with dynasties instead of government forms, perhaps. It would be great for a more dynamic Chinese dynastic cycle.

 

[perhje]

What about sultanate of Rum, neither the ottoman nor byzantium can exist

 

[Ilightmaster]

Russia isnt a dynastic name.... the term "Soviet" wouldnt be popular until...ya know.... Socialism, so that wouldnt work.... Say....nationalism wise... people of Turkish Anatolia didnt call themselves "The People of Ottoman". Most Russians in a nationalistic mindset called themselves "The People of Russia".
You also spelled USSR wrong...

Firsy of all, excuse me for my misspelled USSR. I'm French you are right.
Back in the days, this area of the map was diplomaticly called ottoman's empire. This not a game about nationalism, FOR ME, this is way more than that. Why is bothering you ottoman empire and not ming ? How would you call it ? The only way i could agree on would be a Turkish nationalism forming Turkey. A rev. France is called rev. France in the game, so why do you want another name for a rev. Ottoman's Empire ? If you ask for that we have to ask for a China formable nation.

The only fact that i'm listenning to is the Osmanli's dynasty disappearing point. Over which we can discuss on but there is no link with any turkish separatism. You could have a dynamic nation name for those nations with a dynasty reference in their name. I hope they will do it for ming and ottoman's empire in a futher expansion.

I wouldn't mind Turkey being formable by non-ottoman Anatolian Tech countries. If a country owns historic Ottoman lands but weren't ottomans then it makes sense for this to happen.

I'm also ok with that

 

[Celtic Emporer]

Firsy of all, excuse me for my misspelled USSR. I'm French you are right.

Its ok, Im just a little OCD... I didnt know you were French...Pweez forgive?

Back in the days, this area of the map was diplomaticly called ottoman's empire. This not a game about nationalism, FOR ME, this is way more than that. Why is bothering you ottoman empire and not ming ? How would you call it ? The only way i could agree on would be a Turkish nationalism forming Turkey. A rev. France is called rev. France in the game, so why do you want another name for a rev. Ottoman's Empire ? If you ask for that we have to ask for a China formable nation.

It was called "Ottoman" because of the Osmanli dynasty... What if it were, for example, a republic, with no ruling dynasty? That is why I only say that for a Rev. Turkey.
I agree on the Ming thing... China should be formable, and alot more countries should have dynamic names by dynasty, if the countries were known to use dynasty name fr country name, like the Ottomans and Ming.
Franc would be called rev. France because they called themselves "France" both before and after the revolution. French was their nationality...and late game is when the rise of nationalism started for most countries.... If Ottomans were to overthrow their dynasty, they wouldnt keep said dynasty name, in a realistic historical context...

 

[moscal]

I do not like all states-dynasty. In Europe, the Habsburg Empire were the Kingdom of Spain, Austria, Czech and etc. but not "Habsburgia".

OE (and Ming and etc.) need more flexible name.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_the_Ottoman_Empire