Formable Al Andalus

[eastfrisia4evs]

Also for a future DLC, how about a formable Al Andalus in the Iberian? I know its totally ahistorical and would be difficult to achieve but the same can be said for a unified Scandinavia. I'm not sure if with the new country creator you'll be able to carve out form-able states or just starting position ones, but if its the latter then I think this should be added as something that can be unlocked by Grenada or one of the north African states.

 

[Wizzington]

I like the idea.

 

[Freudia]

I like it on the grounds that it's that one last hurrah for a Granada that succeeds against all odds and pushes the Iberians back out of the peninsula.

 

[BFTeixeira]

Why not an achievement to form once again the Umayyad Caliphate?

 

[FreeSoc]

Why not an achievement to form once again the Umayyad Caliphate?

Either that, or an achievement for achieving the Unify Islam decision, would be nice.

And finally, maybe a formable Al-Andalus! I've suggested some stuff for it in other threads, but here's as good a place as any to post my ideas:
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Own and have cores on Lisbon, Madrid, Granada, Toledo, Valencia and Sevilla.
Be Granada
OR have primary culture Andalusian
OR have a primary culture from the Maghrebi culture group.
Be from the Muslim religious group.

Formation effects: Standard "Increased Centralisation" modifier for 10 years. Add some heathen tolerance. Add claims on all of Iberia.

 

[Chlodio]

I don't understand why people keep suggesting Al Andalus, why not Andalusia instead? Andalusia could be formable for Granada and primary nation for Andalusian culture.

 

[BFTeixeira]

I don't understand why people keep suggesting Al Andalus, why not Andalusia instead? Andalusia could be formable for Granada and primary nation for Andalusian culture.

Because that was the islamic name of the region, i guess. Andalusia is the Castillian name of the region.

 

[Chlodio]

Because that was the islamic name of the region, i guess. Andalusia is the Castillian name of the region.

Although its present form is certainly derived from the Arabic, the etymology of the name "Andalusia" is disputed, and the extent of Iberian territory encompassed by the name has changed over the centuries.

 

[ChildeR]

Because that was the islamic name of the region, i guess. Andalusia is the Castillian name of the region.

Al Andalus usually refers to a much larger area than just Andalusia.

 

[BFTeixeira]

Although its present form is certainly derived from the Arabic, the etymology of the name "Andalusia" is disputed, and the extent of Iberian territory encompassed by the name has changed over the centuries.

Most certainly has changed over the centuries, just like many territories have all over the world. Even Portugal that most people think that their frontiers are unchanged since 1283, had their frontiers changed over the disputed village of Olivença (Spain signed a treaty where it accepted the return of Olivença to Portuguese ownership, but never complied it).

 

[Camarada78]

Just to be sure if people are aware... "Al Andalus" mean "The" Andalus. So a country name the "Al Andalus" would be weird. It is either Andalus, Andalusia or Umayid Caliphate (a little bigger).

 

[BFTeixeira]

Isn't that a bit like "The Ottomans" or "The Mamluks"?

 

[Camarada78]

No, "Al" means "the"... Ottomans are from Osman, a great leader. The Mamluks is not called "The Al Mamluk Sultanate" it would be weird. It is like calling: we are listening the The Beatles band"

 

[forrseti]

It should be Andalusia.

 

[BFTeixeira]

No, "Al" means "the"... Ottomans are from Osman, a great leader. The Mamluks is not called "The Al Mamluk Sultanate" it would be weird. It is like calling: we are listening the The Beatles band"

So, it should be just "Andalus".

 

[Sousuke123]

It should be with Al, same as other countries in Arabic: Al Maghrib - Morocco, Al Jazair - Algiers and so on.

 

[PiriReis]

"al" is the equivalent of "the" in English. Surnames that begin with "al" often refer to the place where someone's ancestors were born.

As this game uses English names I think it would be better to make use of Andalusia. EU4 does not use Gharnāṭah but Granada as well. It does not matter much though.

 

[eastfrisia4evs]

Technically you could say Caliphate of Cordoba, too. I think the idea is that it is ahistorical and any of the principalities could be the ones restoring it. I think it'd be a little too complex to change the name based off of whether you accomplish it as Syria or Berberbers or Grenada so I'd stick with just Al-Andalus.

"Al-Andalus (Arabic: الأندلس‎, trans. al-ʼAndalus; Spanish: Al-Ándalus; Portuguese: Al-Andalus; Aragonese: Al-Andalus; Catalan: Al-Àndalus; Berber: Andalus or Wandalus), also known as Muslim Spain or Islamic Iberia, was a medieval Muslim cultural domain and territory occupying at its peak most of what are today Spain and Portugal. (At its greatest geographical extent, in the eighth century, southern France -- Septimania—was briefly under its control.) The name more generally describes parts of the Iberian Peninsula governed by Muslims (given the generic name of Moors) at various times between 711 and 1492, though the boundaries changed constantly as the Reconquista progressed."