Form Austria-Hungary

[Romanix90]

Now since many nations, like Germany or Italy, can be formed out of time why not Austria-Hungary as well. Austria or Hungary would have this decision to form it. As for their NI i'm not expert here so i would leave it for suggestions or to devs.

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[Pbhuh]

De iure - still thoe was two separate states. Integration never had place,

Constitution of 3rd May had of own goal full integration and eliminate of this feudal relict like a "two sparate powers". But thi i 1791 and never was executed

Constitution of 3 May 1791 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Full integration, no.

Partial integration, yes.

That's a big step in a different direction then Austria-Hungary.

Ok guys, point has being made that you dislike the idea of forming Austria Hungary so rather then wasting all our times let's just move along. I thought this might be good idea since EU4 time spans to Victorian age but clearly its not. Rather then asking devs to delete this thread just ignore it.

Austria-Hungary wasn't formed in the sense of a formable. If you perhaps proposed a devolution decision which created a loyal union between Austria and Hungary, I guess that would more historically.

In other cases, Austrian Empire is your go to

 

[3ishop]

So what's the problem? Hipotethicaly lets say that you can form Austria-Hungary, you get Austrian and Hungarian as main cultures. Austrians and Hungarians would see KUK as their own nation. You are not forming two separate nations at the same time, you are forming single nation that was formed in Victorian era, the time line EU has get into. You're not inventing new nation or something like that, you're forming nation that was historicaly formed.

You haven't formed Austria-Hungary then. You've just changed the name of the area. A-H was a split nation. It wasn't a united people who saw each other as members of the same nation.

It wasn't. It was a single nation that was split in half during the Victorian reign to try and avoid being torn apart by civil issues and to avoid another civil war where Hungary tried to get independence. It gave the land to a different governing body.

Ok guys, point has being made that you dislike the idea of forming Austria Hungary so rather then wasting all our times let's just move along. I thought this might be good idea since EU4 time spans to Victorian age but clearly its not. Rather then asking devs to delete this thread just ignore it.

Worth noting just because people disagree they also do like talking history here so don't take it personally.

 

[Zohtun]

Call me stupid but isn't this what the "Imperial Austrian Monarchy" Reform is meant to represent? An alternative history Austria-Hungary which didn't fail and instead is a powerhouse?

Under that understanding, a new tag wouldn't be needed (after all, Austria's not going to call itself "Austria-Hungary" if it's holding Hungary's lands peacefully), just an option for Hungary to gain the same (or similar) reform to represent Hungary becoming the dominant nation instead of Austria.

 

[moscal]

Full integration, no.

Partial integration, yes.

Contrary. Partial integration had place as "Lublin of Union". Deeper integration had place in "Constitution of 3 May" (look at connected act "Reciprocal Guarantee of Two Nations" . Many polish historian wrote, that this change PLC from union or confederation to of unitar state. Using terms of EU4 - PLC should be formable as resoult of "Constitution of 3 May", not resoult of "Lublin of Union". Ofc - KUK was step in the opposite direction, from a unitary monarchy with a confederal or union monarchy. And this is next reason "why KUK shouldn't be normal, formable country". This isn't progress but regress.

 

[Mr.Grizzly]

I don't mean to jump on the bandwagon but, no, Austria-Hungary is not something one should strive for. It should exclusively be a Victoria thing, showing the decline of Austria, if Austria wants to form something, it should strive for Germany or the Holy Roman Empire, and if not it should stick as Austria, as it did historically. They tried to unite the Holy Roman Empire, failed, so they kept as Austria with their own empire while trying to go for Germany, that failed, then their empire began crumbling and they formed Austria-Hungary to preserve as much as they could before finally having the nail in the coffin from WWI. Even as a formable in Victoria, it should be a mark of shame on Austria. A skilled player in Victoria should want to form Germany or keep the Austrian Empire intact.

 

[blobdomp]

Now since many nations, like Germany or Italy, can be formed out of time why not Austria-Hungary as well. Austria or Hungary would have this decision to form it. As for their NI i'm not expert here so i would leave it for suggestions or to devs.

Austria-Hungary flag :
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formation requiremensts:
own all the Hungarian core provinces
stability less then 0
war exhaustion at least 6

effects:
change country to austria hungary
all hungarian core provinces can 25% local autonomy floor and -10 unrest
gain -2.5% discipline until you change tags

 

[MachopPower69]

Now since many nations, like Germany or Italy, can be formed out of time why not Austria-Hungary as well. Austria or Hungary would have this decision to form it. As for their NI i'm not expert here so i would leave it for suggestions or to devs.

Austria-Hungary flag :
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Germany was its own kingdom in the medieval ages like Italy. AH wasn't considered until the late 19th century after a Hungarian nationalist revolt.

 

[Metz]

A-H should be made an option if it is after X year and Prussian/ or another German tag has a higher development in its German culture group provinces than Austria. This should trigger an event that lets the Austria player form A-H which would give Hungarian core provinces permanent autonomy (until A-H loses control of them) and some particular benefits. The other option in the event would be to suppress it which would make rebels spawn throughout the empire (to show Hungarian and South Slavic nationalism). A third option would be to lose all non-German culture provinces and become a lesser partner in a union with Prussia/ strongest German culture tag.

All of this should in fact be a chain of events that seeks to settle who will lead the Germans after the HRE is dissolved/collapses from low membership development. The last set of electors would get an event that lets them seek promotion to the next rank (kingdoms are excluded and get a large prestige bonus instead).

 

[Pbhuh]

A-H should be made an option if it is after X year and Prussian/ or another German tag has a higher development in its German culture group provinces than Austria. This should trigger an event that lets the Austria player form A-H which would give Hungarian core provinces permanent autonomy (until A-H loses control of them) and some particular benefits. The other option in the event would be to suppress it which would make rebels spawn throughout the empire (to show Hungarian and South Slavic nationalism). A third option would be to lose all non-German culture provinces and become a lesser partner in a union with Prussia/ strongest German culture tag.

All of this should in fact be a chain of events that seeks to settle who will lead the Germans after the HRE is dissolved/collapses from low membership development. The last set of electors would get an event that lets them seek promotion to the next rank (kingdoms are excluded and get a large prestige bonus instead).

Ingame austria hungary's situation can already be created. You form a Personal Union with Hungary.

Austria hungary is a dual monarchy, its in every way just a PU ingame.

If people want a decision then do a similar thing to what happened historically. But it should never be a tag.

 

[Matihood1]

Contrary. Partial integration had place as "Lublin of Union". Deeper integration had place in "Constitution of 3 May" (look at connected act "Reciprocal Guarantee of Two Nations" . Many polish historian wrote, that this change PLC from union or confederation to of unitar state. Using terms of EU4 - PLC should be formable as resoult of "Constitution of 3 May", not resoult of "Lublin of Union". Ofc - KUK was step in the opposite direction, from a unitary monarchy with a confederal or union monarchy. And this is next reason "why KUK shouldn't be normal, formable country". This isn't progress but regress.

That could actually be really cool idea for some PLC flavor. Change the decision from insta-annex to a long road of integration that would result in either the creation of the PLC or the annexation of the junior partner (as was originally pushed by the Polish nobles and failed due to the resistance of the Lithuanian nobles). It could be an event chain or maybe its own set of mechanics. And if you don't want to deal with it, you could just diplo-integrate the junior partner the traditional way.