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Now since many nations, like Germany or Italy, can be formed out of time why not Austria-Hungary as well. Austria or Hungary would have this decision to form it. As for their NI i'm not expert here so i would leave it for suggestions or to devs.

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Comes up every now and then and gets shot down each time. It doesn't fit. Austro-Hungary was formed due to the ruling body failing. The others are where they've expanded and unified that region/culture.
 
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Comes up every now and then and gets shot down each time. It doesn't fit. Austro-Hungary was formed due to the ruling body failing. The others are where they've expanded and unified that region/culture.
I wasn't aware of that since i'm new to all of this. Even tho i still think it would be cool. True it was formed as a compromise to Hungarians. In my opinion it fits perfectly to be ADM tech 20 formable tag.
 

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I wasn't aware of that since i'm new to all of this. Even tho i still think it would be cool. True it was formed as a compromise to Hungarians. In my opinion it fits perfectly to be ADM tech 20 formable tag.
But it doesn't make sense from a mechanical and gameplay side, looking at releasing a chunk of your nation as a junior in a PU.
 
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But it doesn't make sense from a mechanical and gameplay side, looking at releasing a chunk of your nation as a junior in a PU.
Why? Austrians and Hungarians would be main cultures of the country. If you can form ahead Germany or Italy, both of these countries were formed in 19 century, why not Austria-Hungary. Give them proper ideas ( not an expert for ideas) and i think it could work.
 
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KUK was created by deep internal crisis, as result of romantic (in mean - connected with ideology of romanticism) nationalistic wave. KUK was The necessity to introduce KUK was a disgrace to the Habsburg dynasty. Formation in EU4 is new stage of evolution of country. Nope as "rotten compromise, because our dynasty is too weak".

Therefore Osztrák–Magyar shouldn't have place in this period.
 
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KUK was created by deep internal crisis, as result of romantic (in mean - connected with ideology of romanticism) nationalistic wave. KUK was The necessity to introduce KUK was a disgrace to the Habsburg dynasty. Formation in EU4 is new stage of evolution of country. Nope as "rotten compromise, because our dynasty is too weak".

Therefore Osztrák–Magyar shouldn't have place in this period.
Well there are many nations that shouldn't be formable/restorable in EU time frame. Lets start with Mongol empire or Ilkhanate or even Lotharingia. All these countries seased to exist long ago and you can still restore them. EU time frame also touches Victorian era, where countries like Germany or Italy are formed. Just give them a little push in ideas, let them be formable tag at tech 20, make Austrian and Hungarian main cultures. Ultimatly it should be the player to decide whether to form it or not.
 
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Well there are many nations that shouldn't be formable/restorable in EU time frame. Lets start with Mongol empire or Ilkhanate or even Lotharingia. All these countries seased to exist long ago and you can still restore them. EU time frame also touches Victorian era, where countries like Germany or Italy are formed. Just give them a little push in ideas, let them be formable tag at tech 20, make Austrian and Hungarian main cultures. Ultimatly it should be the player to decide whether to form it or not.
You should feel differences. Something other is RE-BUILD country, when you base on old traditions, and something other is CREATE country on new traditions, traditions that do not exist and and existence of thoses cannot take place in thoses times.

The sentiments towards the Mongol empire continued. Many great chiefs want recreat horse empire, the last was propably Timur the Lame. Similar idea of Roman Empire functioned in the social consciousness.
Concept of united of Germany or united of Italy had place in timeline of EU4. "Prince" was form of instruction for the future unifier of Italy. August II Starke want use polish trone, create second duchy for Wettings in Livonia etc, to have gold and power to unity Germany without Habsburg supremacy. And this is only small things of whole history of Italy of Germany about ideas of unification.

These ideas existed. The Austro-Hungarian idea is not. KUK was only pragmatic effect of a failures of austrian monarchy, not as effect of ideas, concepts or something other.

And methodology "anybody can be created and player should decide" haven't sense. So why not form CCCP? Or Volksstaat Bayern? Why not Polish-Bohemian Commonwealth? Why not Makhnovia? For thoses things, who is in deep conflict with alt-historical visions of Pdx and main core of players, we have mods.
 
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Why? Austrians and Hungarians would be main cultures of the country. If you can form ahead Germany or Italy, both of these countries were formed in 19 century, why not Austria-Hungary. Give them proper ideas ( not an expert for ideas) and i think it could work.
Because that is what Austria-Hungary is. It was two nations with a combined royalty. Germany and Italy were combined, their people came together under a single government and monarch. A-H is not. It was a compromise to avoid civil wars and destruction of the whole. It's not something you should want to happen.
 
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And methodology "anybody can be created and player should decide" haven't sense. So why not form CCCP? Or Volksstaat Bayern? Why not Polish-Bohemian Commonwealth? Why not Makhnovia? For thoses things, who is in deep conflict with alt-historical visions of Pdx and main core of players, we have mods.
Because these countries didn't exist and KUK did. USSR was formed in 1922 after WW1 and after Victorian age. I'm here focusing on Victorian age, since EU time is caught up in that time perion. And whether there was a sense or not for Austria-Hungary compromise, whether it was failed state, it was formed in time period of EU4. I mean i agree with you where you mentioned ideas of unified Germany, Italy or restoring Mongol and Roman empires, but in the case of KUK its just a decision which you can enact or not. It'll not change game drasticaly just form nation that was historicaly formed in Victorian era.
 
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Because these countries didn't exist and KUK did.

It'll not change game drasticaly just form nation that was historicaly formed in Victorian era.
But this decision will work in style "click and forgotten" and dont show problems of Austrian Empire leading to create KUK.

Something other would be create eg. disaster in Age of Revolution and one of result can be change of TAG to KUK. This is way, game can show, that KUK was result of deep problems of Austrian Monarchy. Not as great succes of central power, what is represented classical "normal" formation of TAG. Lack of HRE, fall of revolution, debts, peasant uprisings, corruption etc. This should lead to create KUK. Not a glory of conquests.
 
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Because that is what Austria-Hungary is. It was two nations with a combined royalty. Germany and Italy were combined, their people came together under a single government and monarch. A-H is not. It was a compromise to avoid civil wars and destruction of the whole. It's not something you should want to happen.
So what's the problem? Hipotethicaly lets say that you can form Austria-Hungary, you get Austrian and Hungarian as main cultures. Austrians and Hungarians would see KUK as their own nation. You are not forming two separate nations at the same time, you are forming single nation that was formed in Victorian era, the time line EU has get into. You're not inventing new nation or something like that, you're forming nation that was historicaly formed.
 
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Austria Hungary wasn't a united nation. In EU4 terms, it would be a decision you can take as Austria to release Hungary as a PU.
 
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But this decision will work in style "click and forgotten" and dont show problems of Austrian Empire leading to create KUK.

Something other would be create eg. disaster in Age of Revolution and one of result can be change of TAG to KUK. This is way, game can show, that KUK was result of deep problems of Austrian Monarchy. Not as great succes of central power, what is represented classical "normal" formation of TAG.
So you're suggesting that KUK be formed by series of events that would be disasterous for Austria if i got this right. That could work also. Not a bad idea at all.
 

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Austria Hungary wasn't a united nation. In EU4 terms, it would be a decision you can take as Austria to release Hungary as a PU.
Austria Hungary wasn't a united nation indeed. It was dual monarchy and compromise Austrians made to Hungarians after Hungarian revolution if i'm not mistaken. In EU4 terms you don't have to release Hungary, just absorb it. In same sense when you form GB. You absorb Scotland, if it's your subject ofc.
 

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Austria-Hungary is not a country.

It's a union.

It would be perfectly handled by the Personal Union System.

The idea that Austria-Hungary was a singular country is deeply flawed for many reasons. They were 2 countries ruled by the same monarch, like England and Scotland before the Acts of Union.

Furthermore, there used to be a unified country there. It was the Austrian Empire.

The Austro-Hungarian Union came about as a compromise and in many ways is more of an independance of Hungary than a formable in Europa Universalis Standards.


The Compromise partially re-established[1] the former sovereignty of the Kingdom of Hungary, however being separate from, but no longer subject to the Austrian Empire
 
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Ok guys, point has being made that you dislike the idea of forming Austria Hungary so rather then wasting all our times let's just move along. I thought this might be good idea since EU4 time spans to Victorian age but clearly its not. Rather then asking devs to delete this thread just ignore it.
 

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Not fully true.

The commonwealth formable represents the Union of Lublin.


This was an active attempt at further integration.

Austria-Hungary was instead a devolution of power
De iure - still thoe was two separate states. Integration never had place,

Constitution of 3rd May had of own goal full integration and eliminate of this feudal relict like a "two sparate powers". But thi i 1791 and never was executed