Foreing Investment and Capital

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Will the "spheres of influence" have any correlation with trade, investment or endebtment?

I always tought that Vic1 lacked the capacity for medium countries to open up to foreing capital. And plus, it would be great to see a certain amount of bilateral or economic block trade.

Eg: As part of the commonwealth Australia and Canada should have the UK as their largest trading partner and it would be awsome if British capitalist would also invest in other countries.

 

[Gen.Armando]

I would not invest a single dime in a god-forsaken land ruled by intelligent man-eating giant warmongering mooses

Sweden being also ruled by such terrifying creatures,

I'd like to invest pretty much anywhere else, except Portugal.

Yeah I'd like that idea, would be sweet in MP

 

[Gwalcmai]

I'd like to invest pretty much anywhere else, except Portugal.

Hmph. And what is wrong, pray tell, about investing in the production of wonderful wines?

 

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Awesome Idea!!

This could be great for empire management. If your capitalists invested in satelites and dominions countries and made profits and tax money it would be key. These capitalists would then have a major issue with running of the colonies, if one of these nations wanted to nationalize or take control of their own economy. This could increase their military and force a lot of military internetions

It could also allow siutations like with US and China now, with foreign investments in other countries and having to maintain friendly relations with invested countries. I think this should be looked at greatly

 

[ashandresash]

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It could also allow siutations like with US and China now, with foreign investments in other countries and having to maintain friendly relations with invested countries. I think this should be looked at greatly

I think it should be more historical addressing foreign capitals to Spain, South America... in special in minery (I think it could be fine that they were represented like factories rather than agrarian RGOs). Steel and fabric factories are an option too.

About colonies (or independent countries with colonial treaties, like China was after Nanjing treaty), I think it could be more accurate a way of restricting their international trade (giving somehow preference of respective powerhouses, maybe transporting their goods and products firstly to their national markets, or creating a 'colonial market').

Another few ideas: maybe a way of making easy managing this, could be the idea of industrialising by means of financial instruments, and being able to address some of this capital to foreign investments (diplomatic option?). Some discussion about it was held in Economy Megathread.

Transport infrastructure (railways, harbours...) is another possible investment for foreign capitalists. Though it seems quite difficult to represent it. Maybe if you need 'customs' to make your foreign-produced goods get to your market, you'd be allowed to improve infrastructure from your mine or factory to your closest customs...

Finally, a tag of 'factory owner' might be adopted (it would be useful either for foreign investments and 'state' factories in socialist countries).

 

[Gen.Armando]

Hmph. And what is wrong, pray tell, about investing in the production of wonderful wines?

I just can't understand why it wasn't annexed earlier by Spain. In 2009, It should be the priority of any spanish government to immediatly take measures to correct that. They could start by sending Portugal an ultimatum asking for unconditionnal surrender.

 

[EUnderhill]

Hmph. And what is wrong, pray tell, about investing in the production of wonderful wines?

Your cappies start spamming you with too many linguica factories but won't give you a single damn chourico plant so you have to switch to State Capitalism and build it yourself.

 

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Foreign investments is all well and good, as long as the downsides also appear.

None of this neoclassical "country X produces a lot of grain and Y produces steel, so that when these two trade is like country X has obtained a technology to transform grain for steel!" bullshit.

 

[TiggyFiggy]

Allow friendly countries to establish trade agreements, these agreements would be seen as punitive and so should only occur between larger to smaller countries. This allows the larger country to build factories/upgrade RGO and build Rail networks in the smaller country. They then get a proportion of the profit this generates (factory, say 30%) or the province where it is built (rail, say level * 5%). If enough investment occurs it could lead to further subjugation of the smaller country, but if the smaller decides it can nationalise the industries giving them full control and profit but also giving the larger a casus belli. If the larger does declare war, and wins, it's assets are returned and the nation becomes a puppet. Maybe make all puppet nations pay the same price on all industries?

Overall difficult to model and even harder for the AI to manage, maybe just allow loans to smaller nations or allow them to buy tech but instead of a lump sum, pay in instalments.

 

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I agree that a general overhaul should be done considering the interplay between industrialized and unindustrialized nations. Aside from Africa and the Pacific, this era was about indirect colonialism. Vikky 2 should steer away from scripted events in situations like the intervention in Mexico, the opening of Japan, and the Boxer rebellion. Instead, World Powers should be able to exert influence and provide capital and technology in less advanced nations. The unindustrialized nations, as Japan and Thailand did historically, would be able to use the relationship to their advantage, advancing themselves while resisting imperial intentions. Otherwise, as happened more often than not, the relationship would turn into an open door in which the World Powers can exert imperialist agendas.

For example: an uncivilized country wants to modernize, so it has the diplomatic options to request military advisors, economic advisors, technical knowledge, and so forth. However, each advisor gives the World Power providing them an increased percentage chance to make that minor it's puppet.

OR

An unindustrial country opens itself to foreign investment. Industrialized nations can chose to be For or Against investment in different areas (perhaps individual nations or by continent). If they are For investment, their capitalists will spend some time investing in that nation and thus get profit from those factories which the World Power can tax. However, this will give the World Power casus belli to intervene militarily if its investments are threatened (much as IRL).

Lastly, i think its very imprtant for Vicky 2 to have a trade system more similar to HOI2 than Vicky 1. It would be a lot of work drafting individual trade agreements, but the fact of the matter is that there was so much emphasis placed on who was and wasn't allowed to trade in certain places. Entire wars were fought over it and nations that control one resource should be able to decide weather or not to sell it to another nation. The trade system should reflect this historical situation.

 

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I agree that a general overhaul should be done considering the interplay between industrialized and unindustrialized nations. Aside from Africa and the Pacific, this era was about indirect colonialism. Vikky 2 should steer away from scripted events in situations like the intervention in Mexico, the opening of Japan, and the Boxer rebellion. Instead, World Powers should be able to exert influence and provide capital and technology in less advanced nations. The unindustrialized nations, as Japan and Thailand did historically, would be able to use the relationship to their advantage, advancing themselves while resisting imperial intentions. Otherwise, as happened more often than not, the relationship would turn into an open door in which the World Powers can exert imperialist agendas.

For example: an uncivilized country wants to modernize, so it has the diplomatic options to request military advisors, economic advisors, technical knowledge, and so forth. However, each advisor gives the World Power providing them an increased percentage chance to make that minor it's puppet.

OR

An unindustrial country opens itself to foreign investment. Industrialized nations can chose to be For or Against investment in different areas (perhaps individual nations or by continent). If they are For investment, their capitalists will spend some time investing in that nation and thus get profit from those factories which the World Power can tax. However, this will give the World Power casus belli to intervene militarily if its investments are threatened (much as IRL).

Lastly, i think its very imprtant for Vicky 2 to have a trade system more similar to HOI2 than Vicky 1. It would be a lot of work drafting individual trade agreements, but the fact of the matter is that there was so much emphasis placed on who was and wasn't allowed to trade in certain places. Entire wars were fought over it and nations that control one resource should be able to decide weather or not to sell it to another nation. The trade system should reflect this historical situation.

Good Ideas!

Being able to either request specific advisers from Great Powers would be a cool idea

Bilateral trade should be included too! While it can be quite complicated I think it could be done. Although my guess that an Imbargo X option will be put instead