Forcing AI peace offer acceptance

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Hi all,

What are the conditions on which the AI will accept your peace offer?

I know that the player has to accept the next stab hitting peace offer if all cores are enemy controlled .. does this apply to the AI as well?

I'm asking because I was playing the Napoleon's Ambition scenario, where the aim is to vassalise everybody, but I can't get either England or Spain to accept my offers ..

The entire UK (incl Ireland) is French controlled, the british navy is sleeping with the fishes (thanks to Bougainville), and Wellington is cooling his heels in Bombay because there's no ships to carry him home.. But they won't accept a vassalisation

In Spain's case I control the entire mainland except for the Large/Mighty fortresses (about 3-4 provinces), the entire South America south of Bogota, and the Aztec gold mines (including Zacatecas). All I'm asking for is the gold mines, which is around 66% WS. But the Spanish won't accept .. and they won't accept vassalisation either.

I've got 99% WS and have stab hit both down to -3 but they still won't accept .. Spain gives me ridiculous offers for worthless provinces that will put me over the BB limit (cunning bastards) and England isn't even making a peace offer at all

From other games I recall quite a few occasions of the AI not accepting peace offers even when at 100% WS (ie. all controlled by me) ..

Is there any way to increase the likelyhood of the AI accepting peace? All my offers are at least 10% below WS, usually 20% lower than WS ..

Help me Obi-wan, you're my only hope!

 

[Corruption]

I think their is a certain AI mode where the country won't accept a peace deal that asks for more that 50% war score. That might be what your enemies have.

 

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I think their is a certain AI mode where the country won't accept a peace deal that asks for more that 50% war score. That might be what your enemies have.

Stubborn? That might make sense ..

But how do they expect anyone to actually win the Napoleon's Ambition scenario then? You have to vassalise Spain, Brandenburg, Austria, and Russia to win ..

 

[Thistletooth]

I think their is a certain AI mode where the country won't accept a peace deal that asks for more that 50% war score. That might be what your enemies have.

You can often demand more than 50% of the warscore, but it usually requires that the war have dragged on for many years and that your enemy has nothing left to defend itself with. In a situation like that, it's not uncommon to win a 12% peace with a 14% warscore. Again though, you can't do that unless the war has gone on for many years, that's something I learned only fairly recently.

Stubborn? That might make sense ..

But how do they expect anyone to actually win the Napoleon's Ambition scenario then? You have to vassalise Spain, Brandenburg, Austria, and Russia to win ..

100% warscores are practically essential for any vassalation. Sure, a 99% or close warscore after a very long and costly war can sometimes go your way, but the odds would still be against you every month.

NOTE: If you have a 100% warscore and your enemy has no military units and no allies, you can demand anything up to 99%, and they will accept it practically every time.

 

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You need 100% war score and all colonies and trade posts controlled. Plus you have to eliminate every spec of military including explorer ships and conquistadors halfway around the world and any little army of 100 men that have escaped into a province where they have military access and you do not.

However, I am surprised that a 66% peace offer is refused where you take gold provinces, so long as none of the provinces are enemy cores. I am surprised you cannot get vassalization at 99% victory. I thought the AI would go for such things. Maybe he has a big army somewhere or he has a powerful ally still in the fighting?

 

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You need 100% war score and all colonies and trade posts controlled. Plus you have to eliminate every spec of military including explorer ships and conquistadors halfway around the world and any little army of 100 men that have escaped into a province where they have military access and you do not.

However, I am surprised that a 66% peace offer is refused where you take gold provinces, so long as none of the provinces are enemy cores. I am surprised you cannot get vassalization at 99% victory. I thought the AI would go for such things. Maybe he has a big army somewhere or he has a powerful ally still in the fighting?

I can sort of understand England refusing vassalisation, given that they still control India (only because I'm too busy crushing Prussia and dealing with Austria), but Spain is a real killer .. pretty much everything they have is open for me to take, I've crushed all their military. They've even stopped building armies altogether, but they still won't give up the american gold mines

I've started the scenario again .. probably best to focus on the continental powers first (Prussia & Austria) and then deal with the overseas empires of England and Spain.

Those leaders that France gets makes the whole scenario relatively easy, even on vhard.

 

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The AI will take stab hits just as you would for turning down reasonable peace offers. Eventually they'll go to -3 stability... beyond that I've been told there is a chance their government can collapse but I've never seen it happen.

 

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The AI will take stab hits just as you would for turning down reasonable peace offers. Eventually they'll go to -3 stability... beyond that I've been told there is a chance their government can collapse but I've never seen it happen.

Yeah this is the only way I have ever found to peace out the UK in the Napolean scenario, there government eventually collapsed giving me everything but London

Spain should accept vassalisation, the other majors in Nappy's ambition have there "Unpeaceable AI" and you need to take everything to win, but Spain will usually accept a 66% offer.

 

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In my second attempt I went after Prussia and Austria first, with a rainy detour for Nappy in the UK. Nappy with 25k infantry assaulting minimal fortresses is an unfair advantage

Prussia proved relatively easy. I used a 2 siege leader to take Magdeburg, but Von Bulow came across the river from Brandenburg with 25k infantry and proceeded to massacre my 15k infantry and 70 artillery army in the first shock phase even though he was crossing a river and the leader had decent ratings (4/4/3/2 IIRC).

Von Bulow tried assaulting the Large fortress (reduced from Mighty) but lost around 15k and failed .. lucky for him I didn't have any armies around there.

Once Nappy was finished with his UK tour he got shipped to the baltics and sieged the Prussian heartland (Prussia, Danzig, Memel), then moved west. Eventually Prussia was left with Brandenburg only, which Nappy took, killing the Prussian leaders too.

As soon as they controlled nothing (ie. 100% WS), they put a peace offer. They were rather more keen to accept vassalisation.

The key with Prussia is to take the east first imho .. they rarely have any troops there. No need to assault if you use Nappy .. he's a monster

But that requires that you win the sea battle with England, which is easier than you'd think .. mass your navy and put it under Bougainville, the explorer you start with (?/4/4), rather than Villenueve (?/3/3) and pick on small detachments first .. avoid anything over 15 ships, even if you have 70 warships, or you'll suffer losses (which you can't really afford).

Austria is the same but on a larger scale. One tip might be to take Vienna and don't let the Austrians take it back. As soon as they took it back they started building 10k armies everywhere and quickly got back to 60k, whereas before that they were only building a few 5k armies (manageable). A strange quirk.

Spain and England will accept peace offers of 49% or less if you have 99% WS. I got military access from England and a few hundred gold, and I took the 4 gold aztec gold provinces from Spain.

In summary I've had reasonable peaces with England and Spain, even though I would've wanted more, and force vassalised Prussia and Austria. Haven't tangled with Russia yet, but if Nappy's performance in Prussia and Austria is anything to go by, they won't be a big threat .. winter will be though.

It's 1805 and I've shed off all the WE and am building troops to my support limit in preparation for the next English DOW ..

 

[Thistletooth]

The AI will take stab hits just as you would for turning down reasonable peace offers. Eventually they'll go to -3 stability... beyond that I've been told there is a chance their government can collapse but I've never seen it happen.

Bringing their stability down to -3 can help collapse their government, but it doesn't do too much by itself. Obviously, at lower stability levels, their chances of revolt go up, and if they refuse a reasonable peace at -3 stab, I think they might get an extra revolt. But in order for the government to collapse, the rebels have to actually conquer enough so that they control more than the government itself does.

From my experience, though, if the enemy has any army, they'll usually manage to hold out against rebels. You're better off taking that last province or two yourself. Less BB too.

 

[Duke of Wellington]

To collapse the government rebels must control more than the government and the capital. During a war i think the capital must be controlled by either rebels or an enemy and it will collapse. It can be very useful to collapse a govenment for turbo annexation

 

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I think the Napolean Scenario has special "ferocity" settings for countries like England to ensure they stay in near constant war with France, hence the need for total 100% war scores, not 99%. Normally 99% would be suffecient for your purposes. This is why a central Europe strategy (which you said you switched to) is superior. No colonies so a lot easier to force peace on them.

 

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Definitely. It seems that England will DoW you as soon as the truce ends, regardless of everything else.

 

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To collapse the government rebels must control more than the government and the capital. During a war i think the capital must be controlled by either rebels or an enemy and it will collapse. It can be very useful to collapse a govenment for turbo annexation

There is no requirement for the control of the capital. The rule is just that more provinces must be controlled by rebels than by the government. So if the capital is still in government hands, at least two other provinces must be controlled by rebels. That is not as likely; but it does happen, especially with the break-up of Timurid Empire.

 

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Austria is the same but on a larger scale. One tip might be to take Vienna and don't let the Austrians take it back. As soon as they took it back they started building 10k armies everywhere and quickly got back to 60k, whereas before that they were only building a few 5k armies (manageable). A strange quirk.

Yes, that's the way to fight Austria - I found this both with Napoleon and when playing the Ottomans: if you take Vienna, they suffer. Taking Prague as well does them almost as much damage, and with Steiermark and the Hungarian provinces captured, they crumble through both lack of money and manpower and it's then much easier to mop up in all those awkward mountain provinces.