Force releasing colonies / support independence needs to be reworked.

[Silverbow]

I'm tired of Portugal and Spain maintaining immense colonial empires even if they've been completely obliterated in Europe and persist only as a bunch of African / Indian provinces. The colonies' liberty desire doesn't seem to work too well, they do declare independence wars but end up either swarmed by their co-colonies (who join their overlord's war) or just peace out at 24 warscore for no independence somehow.

Worse yet:
- we can't force a colony to be release in peace deal, unlike a vassal. Why? Especially if the colony has a liberty desire of a bazillion and absolutely hates their overlord. This needs to be possible.
- a colony with high liberty desire can't have it's independence supported due to absurd 'distance between borders' penalty nonsense. It should measure the distance to the overlord, not the colony. A continental France can support Castillian Mexico's independence just fine by completely demolishing Spain's armies and occupying it, yet the colony cites 'distance between borders' bullshit to prevent this and then loses its' independence war.

 

[birincikalite]

I'm tired of Portugal and Spain maintaining immense colonial empires even if they've been completely obliterated in Europe and persist only as a bunch of African / Indian provinces. The colonies' liberty desire doesn't seem to work too well, they do declare independence wars but end up either swarmed by their co-colonies (who join their overlord's war) or just peace out at 24 warscore for no independence somehow.

Worse yet:
- we can't force a colony to be release in peace deal, unlike a vassal. Why? Especially if the colony has a liberty desire of a bazillion and absolutely hates their overlord. This needs to be possible.
- a colony with high liberty desire can't have it's independence supported due to absurd 'distance between borders' penalty nonsense. It should measure the distance to the overlord, not the colony. A continental France can support Castillian Mexico's independence just fine by completely demolishing Spain's armies and occupying it, yet the colony cites 'distance between borders' bullshit to prevent this and then loses its' independence war.

Those last 2 ideas pretty much make sense and I agree with you.
The reason they can win colony wars very easily is obviously due to the fact that you had stated, the other colonies who join the war and end it quickly.
Btw, I feel like this topic is fit more into the Suggestions section but nvm, hope Wiz reads your ideas

 

[GunthiHrod]

Agree

 

[Silverbow]

Those last 2 ideas pretty much make sense and I agree with you.
The reason they can win colony wars very easily is obviously due to the fact that you had stated, the other colonies who join the war and end it quickly.
Btw, I feel like this topic is fit more into the Suggestions section but nvm, hope Wiz reads your ideas

Ah, I didn't notice there is a Suggestions forum. Can a mod move it there please, or should I just post it in there?

 

[Thrake]

The worst part is probably AI's loyalty. It simply refuses to DOW its overlord when said overlord is at war. It shouldn't try to break free at every occurance, but supporting Russia's independance (in PU with GB) while GB is being sieged by GB, and Russia remaining loyal while unoccupied (and not even fighting as neither had access to France/Russia) makes PU, or vassals, or CNs too stable. It's already very hard to have AI not vassal attittude, but even then it takes the stars to align for it to declare indendance.

I would add to it that a modifier to refuse support independance when the dependancy is at ar feels wrong: if I support independance, and it tries to break free, it won't be at war anymore with a 3rd party.