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How well did it go for each of the faiths in your game? I feel the Orthodox made very little gains in mine, despite the high probability of conversion.

There was certainly some instability from it during my game, lots on independence wars, etc. Eventually, it came to be that the following nations stayed Catholic:
HRE
Norway
Sweden
Castille
France (eventually)
Hungary
Pope (holds Duchy of Seville from a crusade for Andalusia)

The following went Orthodox
Bohemia (successfully revolted from HRE)
Poland
Denmark
England
Scotland
France (initially)
Leon-Aragon (dual Kingdom)

From there, the following happened:
Denmark, which actually had been controlling Norway and Sweden up to that point, was holy war'd successfully by the HRE, becoming a vassal of the HRE and having independent Norway and Sweden emerging).
Poland was mostly absorbed by the HRE, with a bit taken by Sweden. They're down to two, disjointed provinces.
Bohemia ate the top half of Hungary due to a series of Hungarian revolts. My vassals (of Rome) holy warred most of the southern and eastern provinces.
Unfortunately, before the Great Schism was mended, Spain was set to be united under the rule of Castille once the Queen of Leon and Aragon passed away. Castille was Catholic, that Queen went Orthodox. Now, Spain is united as a Catholic Hispania.

Recently, the HRE just won a holy war to take Bedford off of England.

Also, there basically were never any Russians in my campaign. They essentially got wiped out by Muslims from Volga Bulgaria in the early to mid 12th century. Game is currently in the mid 13th century. I own from Egypt to Mesopotamia, the Ilkhanate own all of Persia and Arabia. The Muslims got absolutely demolished in this game (vanilla 1.07) and there is no Sunni or Shia Caliph in existence. The only remaining independent Muslim states are Abyssinia, Mauretania, and Mali.

Has anyone else seen the Catholics be so successful after the end of the schism? The only strong Orthodox powers seem to be the Roman Empire and Bohemia (at least, the HRE hasn't bothered attacking them yet). Even being isolated by water doesn't seem to have spared England the ambitions of the Holy Roman Empire. And any hopes of an independent, Orthodox Spain seems gone.
 

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In my game, only Scotland, Sweden, and Denmark stayed Catholic; all of the others converted to Orthodoxy over the next five to ten years. Catholicism remains a persistent heresy, especially in my Italian holdings, however..
 

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"Hey we freed you from the Pope, now you can make everyone you want into the religious head that will be your direct vassal, thus meaning you can finally subjugate religion to the will of the state!"
"Nah, we prefer some dude in Rome to tell us who to worship and how while wearing a funny hat".
 
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In my game it was chaos. No nation really stayed either religion, and it merely depended on which duke, king or emperor came into power. Normally reigns lasted a few years at most, then a new ruler emerged. No nation ever really became stable enough to conquer. It was pretty awesome.
 

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Norway, Sweden (which was a vassal of me due to inheritance. Don't ask, it was awkward seeing "ROMAN EMPIRE" plastered over Scandinavia,) Hungary, England and the HRE all turned. Denmark eventually converted to Orthodoxy, England converted back to Catholicism, and France (after a few assassinations on my behalf) converted back to Orthodoxy and was subsequently thrown into a few decades worth of civil war.
 

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In my multiplayer game most of the Christian world converted. We hoped for an epic struggle between HRE and ERE, but the Kaiser converted, too. A few dukes are clinging to their old beliefs as well as the kingdom of Sweden. And then there's a one-province Lollard enclave in Ireland...
 

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In my game France, and all of Scandinavia is orthodox, however the Kaiser himself is catholic that led to the Implosion of the HRE. This would be a good thing if the Mongols haven't conquered all of De jure Russia, Norway, Finland, Denmark, Bohemia, Persia, Arabia and Abyssinia just to be silly. It's basically the Ilkhanate and Golden Horde both turning orthodox prior to ending th schism that's kept me safe for now. Because of this they can't declare offensive war against me without forging a claim, but seeing the Mongols as far west as Bohemia has given me the stressed malus because there seems to be no stopping them. Timur has just spawned his horde and he's Muslim, I only hope decides to turn north and take a chunk out of the GH
 

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I mended it but something weird happened.

I gave Alexandria away to theorcracy(Prince-Bishop is in charge) because I want the Bishop of Alexandria to be my direct vassal without actual owning the county. Most counties in Alexandria went independent because the next Prince-Bishop was not Orthodox. It gave me no notification at all, so I didn't find out until I looked at Africa a few years later.

Now I have to retake them all, including fighting the Egyptian Sultan because he ninjaed a few of them while I was not looking! :(

Also I cannot revoke the county of Alexandria despite it being a heresy.
 

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Its always the same for me. England always turns orthodox, and becomes super-power, HRE gets fractured by constant orthodox civil wars. Mostly all huge powers stay as catholics and wipe out England. Its very sad. :(
 

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All the significant powers in my game converted. Which basically means England (also holds Normandy and Brittany), Ireland (also holds Scotland), and the HRE. France converted as well, but has been almost completely destroyed by a Berber invasion, which then collapsed. There are a few random Catholics, in the north especially, but they're of no consequence. I'm unahppy with the event. I want the Holy Roman Empire title to be destroyed. I am the Roman Emperor!
 

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Everything except for Sweden (which was Fraticelli, with the Norse faith holding out untill the late 1200s) initially went orthodox.

but a pattern began emerging: Poland was fighting a lot with Rus and thus went Catholic and began emerging victorious in the North, England went Catholic and tried to join in the Irish gobblefest, however Wales and Scotland began beating England back.

The HRE saw lots of infighting untill the Orthodox Salians were voted out and a Catholic voted in, one civil war later and the Orthodox nobility was in jail. Though France was now stuck between the Iberian muslims and the Catholic HRE they held strong, just in time for Italy to erupt into total war between the Germans and Romans. France is now securing Norway alongside Iberia. In Hungary the catholics eventually won out, but time was also running out because by this time Italy was secured by the Romans and their gaze shifted North.
 

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Rulers that initially stayed Catholic (all others switched, even some vassals of these Catholic rulers):
France
Poland
Bohemia
Hungary
Sweden (? Can't honestly remember they died so quickly.)
A single Welsh count.

Poland, Bohemia and France suffered badly from an Orthodox HRE, with Bohemia being wiped out. Sweden sank under the Norwegian wave. England also enjoyed taking back northern France (it had lost all it's french territory during a 40+ year period of civil war)...only for the HRE to then elect a Catholic. I'd taken most of Croatia already, and before I could vassalise the poor duke of Slovenia (also the king of Croatia until I usurped his title) he succumbed to a Hungarian Holy War. The heretics saw a minor resurgence, though an orthodox Duke of Aquitaine gave a good fight for independence against the French crown....and then a year ago the HRE elected a follower of the true faith. Weird guys over there. I'm waiting to see how things turn out after the current generation of rulers dies out.

Like the OP, my Russians have been suffering badly from the Volgar Bulgars and Cumania.
 

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Well my game went as follows upon hitting the button:

Converted to Orthodox:
  • HRE
  • England.
  • Denmark-Bohemia
  • Norway
  • Sweden


Stayed Catholic:
  • France (controlling Francia + Portugal/Galicia)
  • Lotharingia
  • Poland(controlling Poland, Lithuania and the western edges of Ruthenia)
  • Navarra-Leon (controlling all of Iberia excluding Galicia/Portugal & the Mediterranean coast).
  • Scotland (controlling Scotland and Ireland)
  • Brittany
  • Hungary


Afterwards:
  • I wiped out France entirely along with Lotharingia and Brittany, although they're all still majority Catholic as even though I've replaced almost all the rulers alot of my appointees keep converting to Catholic themselves.
  • Navarra is surrounded by me but still Catholic.
  • Poland and Bohemia got done in by the Golden Horde.
  • Scotland has taken all of Wales, Northumbria, Hereford and Lancaster from England who had several civil wars as some dukes remained catholic, and also lost Normandy to the French before I in turn wiped France out.
  • Sweden, Bohemia and the HRE also had civil wars due to not all of their vassals converting, Sweden lost the south to Catholic rebels, while Denmark-Bohemia lost Finland and Estonia. The HRE had only one war, but the Duke of Saxony (who has Saxony, Bavaria and parts of Wallachia) broke free and is still catholic but is now losing due to me.
  • Hungary initially stayed Catholic, the king was deposed by an Orthodox claiment who was inturn deposed by another Catholic almost immediately, that Catholic was then shoved off by me putting the Orthodox son of the original Catholic king on the throne.
  • The Golden Horde, converted to Catholicism, so there is now a massive catholic blob up there which has eaten Orthodox Scandinavia.
 
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I think there should be the ability for the heretics if they are powerful enough to be recognised as an official church(say that catharism is adopted by the spanish,french and british emperor)
 

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The HRE stayed staunchily Catholic, and so did the entirety of the British Isles. Past that. Every other Catholic ruler converted to orthodoxy.
 

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It's interesting how random vassals stay Catholic; that can lead to a lot of in-fighting.

In my game the only kingdoms that stayed Catholic were Denmark (since turned Orthodox, albeit after losing Skåne), and Hungary. The latter's currently being gobbled up by my ERE and the HRE. An interesting effect of this is that a few independent Aquitinian counts that stayed Catholic are holding out very well because they have access to Holy Orders. Makes them a lot more powerful than they have any right to be. Not that I'm complaining about it, it makes it a lot less easy.