For the MotAARland (Soviet WIF AAR)

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No, it was not unified then yet

When was it? It was somewhere in 1860, right?

The Uprising took place in years 1863-1864 and was aimed mainly against Russia.

Yeah, Russia had most trouble. AH and Prussia had less revolting.

Indeed, as a non-existing country, Poland was not a part of any military alliance. Still, leaders of the uprising hoped that France, Italy, Great Britain and other liberal countries would help us against what has remained of the Holy Alliance. Plus, many Poles believed that Napoleon III, as Bonaparte's nephew, should be our natural ally... Wishful thinking.

Indeed, but wasn't Italy still a bunch of citystates back then? And what liberal countries would there be besides UK and France, USA? I don't think they were very interested. Or could you call Holland or Belgium liberal at that time?

 

[4th Dimension]

Since I assumed, Allies and Soviets might dislike spliting countries simply because couple of provinces were missing, I was more thinking that during the postwar talks, entire countries mostly under Soviet control would have major Soviet influence. Same those more controled by allies. So borders stay "mostly" same but ideology (and thus belonging to a sphere of influence) is decided by share of provinces controled. I mean, there is only real justification to split Germany, but not other countries. Especial not those that were allied to the cause. The power will be given to the pople still in those countries, and acording to how much influence one side can make, will influence their cabinet. Later completly legaly they can proclaim Socialist Repulic, or ban Communist parties. All nice and legal.
It is what more or less happened IRL. I mean, if I remember correctly, Patton got as far as Czechoslovakia but we didin't see parts of it split just because Allies controles "a province". Same happened in Trst (Italian teritory), Tito raced Allies to it, and won, but YUG still didn't get it.
Because we won't be going into details in this AAR I think, after war you should simply go by these rules:
1. If one side clearly posseses majority of provinces (or maby VPs), edit the save so that that country gets all it's provinces, and make it ally of theside with most provinces in it.
2. If there is no clear majority, then you might think about spliting, or maby making such a country neutral.

Currently Allies only have Montenegro and Macedonia, and a theritory of Serbia than known as Kosovo and Metohia. Thus, you could establish a Socialist government there, in entirety (what would happen, is a government would be made where only a couple least important ministers would be Capitalist, then entire goverment would demand for Allied and Soviet forces to withdraw from it's theritory, since you are all allies (still). You would have no reason not to comply. Then one side will act, and possible trough elections, would get total power.). There might be reasons to split Bulgaria, or you can attach your part to Tito's YUG. Bulgarians are yugoslavs after all (Southern Slavs).


What do you think is drunk here? Rakija, Loza, Sljiva are our drinks.
Entire episode is based on one of more harebrained theories of the nationalist, on how they lost the Kingdom. They say tehy lost because when it came to negotiating with English representatives (Churchills son Ralph?), Communists could drink with the English heavily, and thus befriend them.

 

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Since I assumed, Allies and Soviets might dislike spliting countries simply because couple of provinces were missing, I was more thinking that during the postwar talks, entire countries mostly under Soviet control would have major Soviet influence. Same those more controled by allies. So borders stay "mostly" same but ideology (and thus belonging to a sphere of influence) is decided by share of provinces controled. I mean, there is only real justification to split Germany, but not other countries. Especial not those that were allied to the cause. The power will be given to the pople still in those countries, and acording to how much influence one side can make, will influence their cabinet. Later completly legaly they can proclaim Socialist Repulic, or ban Communist parties. All nice and legal.
It is what more or less happened IRL. I mean, if I remember correctly, Patton got as far as Czechoslovakia but we didin't see parts of it split just because Allies controles "a province". Same happened in Trst (Italian teritory), Tito raced Allies to it, and won, but YUG still didn't get it.
Because we won't be going into details in this AAR I think, after war you should simply go by these rules:
1. If one side clearly posseses majority of provinces (or maby VPs), edit the save so that that country gets all it's provinces, and make it ally of theside with most provinces in it.
2. If there is no clear majority, then you might think about spliting, or maby making such a country neutral.

That sounds reasonable. So I will adjust the political slider according to Allied-Soviet controlled provinces ratio. So if Soviets control majority of a country and Allies control less, the government would be lenininst? Germany will be split, the borders might be slighty different though. I'm not sure if I should give whole Italy to the Allies, if the Soviets manage to conquer Trento, Venice, Milano, maybe even Genoa. Because that area has a lot of IC, it's like over 30, so a North Italy wouldn't sound such a bad idea.

Currently Allies only have Montenegro and Macedonia, and a theritory of Serbia than known as Kosovo and Metohia. Thus, you could establish a Socialist government there, in entirety (what would happen, is a government would be made where only a couple least important ministers would be Capitalist, then entire goverment would demand for Allied and Soviet forces to withdraw from it's theritory,

I might make it leninist and see if there are any capitalist ministers available to choose, but I won't start making new ones, since they would only be needed for a year or two...

since you are all allies (still). You would have no reason not to comply. Then one side will act, and possible trough elections, would get total power.).

Maybe I should try to write an event for that. I don't have any experience on writing events, but if someone could show me a tutorial site. Then I could start my event writing, it's a really useful skill in HoI.

There might be reasons to split Bulgaria, or you can attach your part to Tito's YUG. Bulgarians are yugoslavs after all (Southern Slavs).

Sofia and Vraca would fit nicely to the Yugoslavian. But then I would have to give Pleven to Romania. Maybe a neutral Bulgaria would be a good idea.

What do you think is drunk here? Rakija, Loza, Sljiva are our drinks.
Entire episode is based on one of more harebrained theories of the nationalist, on how they lost the Kingdom. They say tehy lost because when it came to negotiating with English representatives (Churchills son Ralph?), Communists could drink with the English heavily, and thus befriend them.

Koskenkorva is a kind of pre-mixed vodka, it's quite powerful stuff. Then we have Karjala (Karelian) beer, dedicated to the WWII battles in Karelia, and that the Finnish wanted their territory in Karelia back. The Finnish government actually considered buying back Finnish Karelia along with Petsamo when the Soviet Union collapsed. Besides that it's just regular beer. But we also have Sandels beer. Sandels fought agaist the Russians in the Swedish army when Finland was still a part of Sweden. He actually fought back and scored some victories, unlike the most Swedish generals. I looked this from wiki...

Count Johan August Sandels (August 31, 1764 – January 22, 1831) was a Swedish soldier and politician, being appointed Governor of Norway (Riksståthållare in Swedish, Rigsstatholder in Dano-Norwegian) 1818 and Field Marshal in 1824. He also served as acting Over-Governor of Stockholm in 1815.

In the Finnish War (1808-1809) he led the Swedish troops to victory against the Russian forces, at the Battle at Virta Bridge. These events and others in the Finnish War were later retold in a series of epic poems by Johan Ludvig Runeberg. Runeberg's poem tells a story of Sandels having a feast while the enemy mounts a premature attack. Sandels continues his meal and is accused of cowardice, after which he raises and rides to the battle, drives back the enemy and is praised by his men.

Sandels is also a beer brewed by Olvi since 1971.[1] Humorous stories about Colonel Sandels (and his love of beer and food) are printed on the back label.

 

[4th Dimension]

It is reasonable to split Italy. After all, they were a part of Axis, and the northern part is currently I suppose controlled by that Mouslinis Socialist Italy, so it can be considered a part of Axis, and can be split as a part of the Punishment. But you will still need to gain considerable territories there. Holding just Venece, might give you some influence in Italy, and might make it liable to a coup by northern workers in case of the war, but still not split. I think Allies must be pushed a bit.

Most of the time I was not thinking in events terms. I myself never made them, but editing save games is relatively easy, as long as you keep a backup, and are careful (when giving somebody a province, you have to remove it from the owner, and such. Also, giving tech, to the researched list, will not give the necessary bonuses).

 

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It is reasonable to split Italy. After all, they were a part of Axis, and the northern part is currently I suppose controlled by that Mouslinis Socialist Italy, so it can be considered a part of Axis, and can be split as a part of the Punishment. But you will still need to gain considerable territories there. Holding just Venece, might give you some influence in Italy, and might make it liable to a coup by northern workers in case of the war, but still not split. I think Allies must be pushed a bit.

The Axis aren't going to push the Allies anywhere there, that's for sure. Well, let's see if the Soviets can even capture Venice...

Most of the time I was not thinking in events terms. I myself never made them, but editing save games is relatively easy, as long as you keep a backup, and are careful (when giving somebody a province, you have to remove it from the owner, and such. Also, giving tech, to the researched list, will not give the necessary bonuses).

Yeah, I have done a lot of save game editing, mostly with provinces. As for the techs I use the ingame cheats (don't worry, I haven't used them in this AAR... yet )

 

[Nathan Madien]

And what liberal countries would there be besides UK and France, USA? I don't think they were very interested.

No, we in the USA weren't really interested in Poland at the time. You see, we had a little civil war going on. That absorbed all of our attention.

 

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No, we in the USA weren't really interested in Poland at the time. You see, we had a little civil war going on at the time. That absorbed all of our attention.

I doubt they would have had much interest on European affairs, even without the civil war.

 

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I wouldn't judge you if you would reload after the event with Poland. Its a really back stab event (Kaiserreich is full of such-im not saying its a bad mod).

 

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I wouldn't judge you if you would reload after the event with Poland. Its a really back stab event (Kaiserreich is full of such-im not saying its a bad mod).

You mean the Polish independence event that deployed my troops to Moscow? I played a little ahead and luckily Poland didn't get annexed. ...Unfortunately the deployment of 66 divisions will slow down the liberation of Poland though. But we'll see more about that in the next update, which will be tomorrow.

 

[gll25]

Great AAR, just hope you get Berlin before Patton and his rangers

 

[Nathan Madien]

I doubt they would have had much interest on European affairs, even without the civil war.

True, but it's hard to see European affairs when Europe is so far away.

 

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Great AAR, just hope you get Berlin before Patton and his rangers

It won't be easy, but Zhukov and Konev can do it!

True, but it's hard to see European affairs when Europe is so far away.

That's exactly what I meant. To the Americans, Europe was a remote old continent where people were still ruled by the church and kings, and the European powers just fought meaningless and bloody wars against each other. Althrough by 1860 Europe was changing and wars were less frequent after the 1600 century wars...

 

[trekaddict]

When was it? It was somewhere in 1860, right?

Germany was unified under Kaiser Wilhelm I in 1871, after the Franco-Prussian war. The French recieved their customary hiding, and after the capture of Paris the German Empire was proclaimed in Versailles.

 

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Kulik's HQ, Spring 1945

Kulik: RUNSFELD'S TROOPS ARE BROKEN, CRUSH THEM! THE RED ARMY IS UNSTOPPABLE!

Zhukov: What did you eat for breakfast?

Kulik: LOTS OF CAKE AND VODKA!

Konev: We can see that...

Zhukov: Time to liberate Praha, that's one city less for Patton.

Model: HAHAHA! I FOUND ZOME OIL FROM EIN OIL LAMP, NOW MEIN TANKS ARE UNDEFEAZABLE!

Molotov: They stopped us at Uzice too.

Kulik: OH NO, MORE LANDINGS!

Molotov: Roosevelt has died...

Zhukov: Truman is in charge now and he looks like a serious guy, because Roosevelt was always laughing in his pic.

Konev: I heard that Truman isn't afraid to use nukes...

Zhukov: We are trying to break the long stalemate in Norway.

Molotov: The enemy consists of a German elite panzergrenadier brigade, a motorized divisions and a traitorous Finnish division.

Kulik: AND WE STILL CAN'T BREAK THEIR BALKAN DEFENCE!

Zhukov: What is this, we got encircled?!

Konev: Don't worry, we will link up with them and encircle the Germans!

Zhukov: Another capital left undefended by the Germans, is this their strategy or something?

Molotov: The Americans are dangerously close to Berlin...

Molotov: Our troops from Moscow are back.

Zhukov: Give them some time to organize, but we need them and fast!

Kulik: NOW WE BREAK THEIR DEFENCE AND ENCIRCLE THEM AND VENICE WILL BE OURS! ...I LIKE ITALIAN FOOD!

Zhukov: Hills and rain... we'll see.

Konev: Those Germans really want us out of Poland.

Zhukov: But look at this!

Molotov: Könisberg, Suwalki and Bliesk are still muddy, but maybe we should launch a flanking attack.

Kulik: 'URRAA, NORWAY WILL BE OURS!

Zhukov: We can't let the Allies have Split too, mountaineers attack!

Mountaineers: Yes komrade Zhukov!

Zhukov: Wait, it is a plains province?!

Kulik: HAHAHA, THOSE GERMANS ARE DEFEATED!

Molotov: But their forts...

Kulik: I SAID THOSE GERMANS ARE DEFEATED!!!

Kulik: LOOK, THOSE GERMANS DO WHAT I SAY!

Zhukov: Or maybe our army did something too...

Molotov: It isn't muddy anymore, it's just raining.

Stalin: I CAN'T UNDERSTAND HOW YOU COULDN'T ACHIEVE MY REALISTIC OBJECTIVE LINE?!?

Kulik: YEAH, THOSE OBJECTIVES WERE REALLY EASY, EVEN ITALY WOULD BE FASTER THAN YOU!

Stalin: WHO DREW UP THAT YELLOW LINE?!

Molotov: Since our troops are heading to Rjeka first, that yellow line will hopefully be our border in the Balkans.

Zhukov: But the Germans managed to push the Allies back from Rostov.

Stalin: TAKE ALL THE LAND THAT IS LEFT! WE CAN'T AFFORD TO LOSE, TRUMAN WILL LAUGH AT ME, MAYBE EVEN CHURCHILL TOO!

Kulik: AND PATTON WILL MAKE FUN OF ME AND MONTGOMERY WILL LAUGH AT YOU ZHUKOV!

Zhukov: No, Monty and I are great friends!

Kulik: YOU HAVEN'T HEARD ALL THE STUFF HE SAYS BEHIND YOU BACK HAHAHA...

Zhukov: You are crazy Kulik!

 

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Germany was unified under Kaiser Wilhelm I in 1871, after the Franco-Prussian war. The French recieved their customary hiding, and after the capture of Paris the German Empire was proclaimed in Versailles.

Ouch, but the war was in somewhere in 1860? Maybe I remembered it wrong, because I defeated the French so quickly, that it was still 1860 something in Vicky.

 

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Ouch, but the war was in somewhere in 1860? Maybe I remembered it wrong, because I defeated the French so quickly, that it was still 1860 something in Vicky.

Well, in germany it is known as the Franco-German war of 1870/1871.

 

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Well, in germany it is known as the Franco-German war of 1879/1871.

Ok, then it must be 1870. ...Maybe I had started some wars of my own in that game. :rofl:

 

[4th Dimension]

How many divs are in those pockets in Baltic and in Bosnia/Western Serbia?

 

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How many divs are in those pockets in Baltic and in Bosnia/Western Serbia?

I will look the exact numbers in the next update, but the Red Army Intelligence estimates that in the Poland pocket there are 15-20 divisions and in the Balkan pocket 20-30 divisions.

 

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That just might be the last straw that will break the back of Wehrmacht. Or, Germans will transfer what little divisions they have on West to the Eastern front.