When the PLC can no longer steamroll the combined armies of France, Russia, Brandenburg, and Spain I'll consider supporting your France nerf.
For the love of god, PLEASE F***ING NERF FRANCE
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If you were to add the Ottomans and Swedish Empire Sweden to that list and still PLC would win, then it would be OP. Otherwise, it functions as designed.
I think France is perfectly fine as is. I could be wrong but I believe France was fairly "stable" in terms of civil unrest (excluding natural disasters such as black plague), considering how unstable rest of the world was, so the changes suggested may not be very historically accurate anyway.
I still don't understand how you lost the HYW on purpose, when there is no HYW at game start in this patch. Maybe you mean you just gave up your cores for free? That seems like a mistake.
Tbh in my last england game i took Paris in the first 20 years xD . While my ally Castille was being decimated by aragon + Naples (i eventually got them to break off the PU so now Naples, the Papal states and venice are fighting for italian supremacy xD. Since burgundy was passive they lost flanders wich i took. So my english Channel trade is pretty much covered. Later France did take Labourd from me when my allies changed Camps due to religious reasons xD read reformation being more crazy than i'm used too 
. Anyway they didnt dare to take Paris from me and francien is accepted culture . meanwhile brandenburg inherited HRE burgundy which later got released in a war with (re-elected) emperor austria. I though that was a fun fact so now i allied new burgundy which Seems to be enough to scare France while i'm doing Some achievements. In the meantime livonian order took Stockholm, that was rather funny. Also riga has taken estonia. While Russia formed. Poland losing the pu over lithuania and focussing on the hordes was key in this development. Also the ottomans took hungary and look like they Will take Vienna fairly soon . The empire is very week indeed. Still though with all this France didnt manage to expand fast enough to take back Paris. So to conclude.. Taking Paris early Cripples France a lot for at least 2 centuries ^^
. Anyway they didnt dare to take Paris from me and francien is accepted culture . meanwhile brandenburg inherited HRE burgundy which later got released in a war with (re-elected) emperor austria. I though that was a fun fact so now i allied new burgundy which Seems to be enough to scare France while i'm doing Some achievements. In the meantime livonian order took Stockholm, that was rather funny. Also riga has taken estonia. While Russia formed. Poland losing the pu over lithuania and focussing on the hordes was key in this development. Also the ottomans took hungary and look like they Will take Vienna fairly soon . The empire is very week indeed. Still though with all this France didnt manage to expand fast enough to take back Paris. So to conclude.. Taking Paris early Cripples France a lot for at least 2 centuries ^^- 1
Well, It still is a viable tactic, if you are not interested in Europe. Anyway, I think that France should stay as It is: in my last game for England/GB I only took Britain, Normandy, and Picardie to keep them out of the british trading node, and they are a powerful enemy to fight, just for fun, but not unbeatable. And yes, generally speaking, French army will always be better than the english one.
Whenever I heard talk of Nerfs and balance in other games, it normally applied to multiplayer if the game supported both. What do the multiplayer gamers say about France? Is it OP?
So... You threw 64 regiments at tech 8 into mountain battle, presumably at once, and You don't know why You lost?
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Ottomans and France constantly get 1v2'd. I think in multiplayer the difference is that people don't expect "balance" but rather at the least countries that can't just needlessly steamroll the game. Ming is frequently banned because of that reason, and the Ottomans frequently get steamrolled early on by Venice/Mamluks also because of that reason. France lacks the ability to expand quickly, doesn't start off in a defendable position, and doesn't start off much bigger than it's neightbors.
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Ottomans and France are different beasts though. France has western units, same as everyone else in that region, and only the extra manpower tradition. While Ottomans have 5% discipline tradition, Anatolian units that are better than anything till tech 15 (hordes are slightly better till tech 6) and a great starting king. And if they get the janissaries event, it would take half of europe to beat them down.
I think if I was to call a country OP it would be Ottomans/Ming.
Hopefully with the Horde expansion that the Timurids will be stronger, see more play, and be actually encouraged to do something about the Ottomans should they break free of their Venice/Mamluks reigns
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Oh, oh, wait until I get home. Oh man, I'm going to post some anecdotal evidence from one game that will definitely show that France doesn't need to be nerfed. Hold on to your butts!